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640:. A musical recording does not establish notability, based on the mere fact that it was released on a specific label. Notability of an album is not inherited from the label on which it was released. As blogs, neither BoingBoing nor Consequence of Sound are considered reliable. Pitchfork Media is not considered reliable as a zine. The Rolling Stone is notable, independent of the bands that they cover. Brief mentions or reviews, along with track listings are not considered significant coverage, regardless of the source. Regarding the notability of 535:. The Consequence of Sound reference is considered an unreliable, self-published source as an online Wordpress zine/blog. Brief mentions, along with track listings, such as that included in the Rolling Stone are not significant, but may be appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article. See 480:. Pitchfork states that only 5,000 copies of the album were released. There is a lack of significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Notability, at this point, primarily relies on Pitchfork and reviews offered in blogs. This is not a reflection of significant coverage. 679:
Pitchform is reliable, but Cindamuse's comments are otherwise correct. Indepedent coverage needs to go beyond confirming a track listing and title. It needs to speak of the background/production, recording, context, reception of an album/release etc. --
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well, regardless of anything else, i dispute that pitchfork is not reliable (and i suspect you would be in the minority amongst editors with that viewpoint). a significant portion of the album articles on wiki use pitchfork for references.
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Actually the second link you've provided is a just a google search of pitforkmedia pages which mention the EP. Independent coverage must exist in enough of a quantitiy to create a detailed page. This is explained at
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of Consequence of Sound, surely the place to take it is an AfD for the Consequence of Sound article - which seems pretty well-referenced to me at first glance). --
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If you're confident of notability why don't you use those sources to improve the article, then I'll re-look at the article when you're done and then if it passed
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article in particular could be much better. I have added some pitchfork references to the article, and should improve more over the next couple of days. --
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regarding identifying reliable sources. As a side note, make sure to sign your comments and posts with four tildes ~~~~. Thanks.
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No independent coverage, no evidence of notability. Even the band is of questionable notability. No reliable sourcing either. --
17: 293: 644:, the article contains no reliable links to establish notability. Regardless of this fact, you may want to review this link 138: 511:
are a waste of time which could be put to much better use by editors, including myself. --01:55, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
525:. Personally I'm pretty sure the notability of this release has been established now. --02:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 376: 134: 427: 766: 745: 724: 696: 674: 657: 628: 596: 548: 489: 468: 451: 431: 406: 350: 322: 298: 270: 245: 209: 59: 781: 36: 780:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
563:, a large american record label. it's been covered in notable and verifiable sources such as 682: 477: 392: 336: 281: 227: 195: 720: 670: 624: 592: 564: 447: 318: 648:. The inclusion of one inappropriate article does not validate the inclusion of another. 758: 649: 540: 481: 360: 55: 607: 568: 536: 503: 286: 223: 372: 737: 616: 580: 462: 439: 262: 111: 355:
actually the second link i provided as a search of pitchfork pages which mention
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magazine, which i think really illustrates my feeling that this AfD and
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I completely agree as regards the overhaul, Theornamentalist. The main
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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review of the EP in that most venerable of music magazines,
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Coverage in Pitchfork asserts notability of this release
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list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions
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the other Die Antwoord one that's open at the moment
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No further edits should be made to this page. 390:IMO, I will gladly retract this nomination. -- 183: 8: 579:(Cindamuse, if you have a problem with the 422:needs to overhauled regarding this band. - 250: 254:: This debate has been included in the 7: 518:and here's a (very good, actuallly) 418:sources provided are reliable, but 559:in my opinion: it's a release on 361:here's coverage in the metro times 24: 369:coverage by consequence of sound 499:Okay, here's coverage of the EP 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 767:05:44, 23 September 2010 (UTC) 746:13:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC) 725:00:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC) 697:18:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 675:17:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 658:05:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 629:04:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 597:03:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 549:02:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 490:15:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC) 469:10:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC) 452:00:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC) 432:22:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC) 407:16:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC) 351:16:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC) 323:16:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC) 299:13:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC) 282:notability criteria for albums 271:23:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC) 246:22:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC) 210:21:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC) 60:14:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC) 1: 306:- no independent coverage? 801: 377:here it is in BPM magazine 218:- Does not appear to meet 777:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 476:. 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