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Much more than a directory, provides lots of useful -and often sourced, even maybe if not as thoroughly as it could be (but that's grounds for improvement,not deletion) information about a lot of notable software. There is nothing in policy/guidelines against this article. I also disagree with the
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I assure you, the above is not a flame and absolutely everything I've said can be verified by anyone who cares to check (view the AN/I link above for yourself). I actually did write something more akin to a genuine flame, then deleted it and wrote my above response instead :)
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here after their AFD, some using the excuse that the information was already found here(even though its not but a token mention). This article can be seen as a valid list article, since most of the links are still blue, and it aids in navigation.
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Tothwolf, can we leave your personal troubles with the other editor out of this AfD, please? Regardless of whatever he did before/elsewhere, Miami made an absolutely reasonable comment, no need to flame. Thanks.
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I'm not sure how you expect people not to discredit you when you continue this sort of thing. Do I need to update the AN/I discussion with information covering your latest wikistalking efforts?
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant what I think DreamFocus referred above, that is, the fact other previously-AfD-and-kept articles have been re-cited above as possible AfD candidates. --
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as mentioned above, previous articles have been AFDd based on the fact that this article was a better place to put the information rather than loads of entries for every client.
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This particular article has lots of references and many editors including myself have been actively expanding it and adding additional references. It uses two citation methods;
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This list is indiscriminate because it allows for any chat client to be listed. (Correct me if I am wrong, but that is how I interpreted that.)
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in yet another attempt to have this one fly under the radar. This is a continuation of the pattern linked in the AN/I discussion above. --
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Note: This article has been around for years (July 05), why does there appear the sudden desire to delete all articles related to IRC?
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No, but their existence is indication that consensus has always been, and still is, that such comparison lists are not violating
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The nomination reason above is not backed up by any of Knowledge (XXG)'s policies or guidelines. The nom makes an argument of
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the are hundreds of "comparison" articles on wikipedia, they exist to present information in an easily accessible format.
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entries in these tables are in fact quite notable; we just don't yet have articles about them. Others will eventually be
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is included in the list above since it isn't even a comparison article.) The only client article I could think of was
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should exercise some restraint. Maybe AfD can provide a centralized discussion for content direction in this case.
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same argument? The very RfD where I responded and gave you a list of inclusion guidelines for this very article?
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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is an inflamatory statement. I don't care if what you say is verifiable or such -it has nothing to do with the
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Nothing wrong with this comparison article. It provides valid information, which some will find useful. See
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This list in its current form is indiscriminate. AfD is not supposed to be for cleanup, but the article
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does not limit what can or cannot be included in a particular article. The notability guideline only
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Ya know, I don't care anymore. Someone email me when the community decides to ban these clowns. --
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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as part of the mass-AfD mess, and it was one I largely wrote to expand a prior stub. --
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The nom again did not use an edit summary when nominating this article for AfD
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Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 September 29#LeetIRC
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You mean the other comparison articles linked above? (I've also asked
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govern article content, with the amount of coverage given to topics
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O RLY? You seem to have an convenient way of "forgetting" things.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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per UltraMagnus, that's the consensus already on wikipedia.--
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for an overview of many of these articles on Knowledge (XXG).
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Which merge created a mess? I believe only one article was
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This article is not unique in its layout or structure, see
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of articles, except for lists of people. Instead, various
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Put simply, this AfD was a bad faith AfD nomination by
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in Knowledge (XXG). They do not give guidance on the
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