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Is that not a WP:BEFORE? Let us also please not ignore the other "keep" vote, that very correctly states "references can be easily found". It is unfair to ignore a clearly notable article and to suggest unwarranted deletion just because a small patriotic bone's feelings were hurt with the "US bias" comment.
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Student7 the article would follow the same format as all the other corruption by country articles. Topics would include police corruption, political corruption and corporate corruption. "Corruption of Youth" that you mention sounds like it may be an entirely different topic and may be something to do
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What a bunch of selective comment nonsense. If the "keep per Alan
Liefting" comment was for me, then I believe I also added "and per WP:N". We mustn't only choose to ignore what does not suit us. Also, Mr. lefting does advocate a legitimate ground to keep: "article needs fixing rather than deleting".
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