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379:. The article has two assertions of notability, that it is one of the oldest continuously operating summer camps in Maine and that it achieves the highest return rate of any camp in the U.S. These assertions should be specifically supported, but that is a matter of calling for improvement in editing by tagging and commenting at Talk page, not for AFD. I added a bit to the article, too, including quoting from a New York Times article that included a fair amount about the camp (which was referred-to above), plus another New York Times article that was exclusively about a significant fire at the camp that killed one of its founders, plus 423:- Given the celebrities who went there and the age I'm surprised there's not more out there, but I'm not having luck sourcing it either. An organization's article can claim whatever fantastic statistic or historical import a Wikipedian decides to write, but if it's not backed up by reliable sources it can't be considered for these purposes (especially, as with the current example, if people are searching for sources to back up those statements and can't find any). --— 503:"canvassing which is done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way is considered inappropriate"; in one case, it is a further breach of your Arbcom restriction. This is because it compromises the normal consensus decision-making process, and therefore is generally considered 290:. The associated Kawanhee Inn gets positive mentions in travel sources (see GBooks for examples), and maybe an argument could be made that it's Knowledge-notable as a hotel, but I didn't find enough to make that argument strongly. There might be enough to justify a mention of the inn and camp in the article for 441:
Umm, i did a little looking, and found some sources, mentioned above. I think there were more, and others could find more, too. I am not motivated to devote a lot of energy to this. Don't know if anyone else has, so you may be wrong with your implication are searching and can't find anything.
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at some of these, for mentioning others in the series, which is nonsense IMHO, as what canvassing is about, is selectively posting to user talk pages. This is not selective, it is posting where random editors having many opinions show up, and it is relevant, and it not being broadcasted widely.
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I did factor in the sources you mentioned when I made my comments, though. I searched myself, as well. As the unspecific possibility of off-line sources is not a compelling argument to me, I remain in the delete camp on this one. --—
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and see that it is about selectively posting to Talk pages, which i did not do. I linked between multiple parallel AFDs, where there have been both positive voters and negative voters who are equally informed. Pigsonthewing even
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canvassing, about which you have been warned previously, remains unacceptable. The closer of the various AfDs should take it into account. It is not for you to refdefine what canvassing means; WP:CANVASS is clear (my emphasis):
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both attended this camp, and Iglesias said in an interview that it's where he first learned about "Anglo music". One of the owners was interviewed for a 1997
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I don't have a comment on the canvassing issue, but without looking at the other AfDs I don't see any reason to assume bad faith on the part of the nominator.
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And, there could be extensive off-line sources. This is one of a series of summer camp articles nominated for deletion, where
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Commenting on your clearly-apparent partisan canvassing is not a personal attack; but take it to WP:ANI if you disagree.
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But despite the camp's age I didn't come up with much to show its particular significance in the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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had to edit the accusation of canvassing at my Talk page after posting it
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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also attended the camp for several years in the mid 1980s
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