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that's why he wrote to me. The problem is that it causes too much confusion. He used to be in a band called The
Mountaineers(not sure if he still is I think he left) he is not a solo singersongwriter under the name Ceri James. His own solo project is called something else so he should write that name onto wikipedia. Also he wasn't in the Ordinary Boys original line up I think he was drafted in a as a session musician - and the Ordinary Boys don't even exist now. If he's mainly a session musician he should state that otherwise it could mislead people. My own solo album under the name Ceri James is in all major record stores and downloads. It's registered for the chart and I'm a member of the PRS. This article uses Ceri James myspace but I actually have the CeriJames url on myspace he has another url for his solo project under a completely different name. I think for the benefit of both parties the article either needs to be ammended or deleted.
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Bunnymen article so there doesn't need to be a seperate article. Although he definitely was a founding and significant member of the Mountaineers it's unlikely that they reach notability either cause they only released one album. Even if they did then this article should redirect and not mention contain personal references to his own project which doesn't obtain notability. If wikipedia believes his session work does obtain notability then again personal references to his own project shouldn't really be mentioned as again this could create a conflict of interest and isn't relevant at the moment. Perhaps the fairest way would be to ammend the article - I know alot of people are unhappy with the whole deletion process on wikipedia.
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458:(unless all members of notable bands are notable - in which case I'm wrong). Problem is from looking around I don't think the "other Ceri James" (the nom) meets the criteria any better under that name based on searches I've been able to do. I say delete and protect (as it is easy enough to request unprotection if either of the two (or both) prove to be notable in future.
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wikipedia keeps supplying inaccurate, incomplete or poorly researched information no one will take it seriously. Any person who looks up this article couldquite easily end up assuming we are the same person. As I said I don't know all the procedures and guidlines but it needs amending or deletion end of.
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Actually, it isn't relevant who wrote the article. This is about policies, guidelines, and quality of the specific article in question. "Self-written" articles are not
Verboten, just not encouraged. Perfectly reasonable, encyclopedic, and neutral articles can be written even by the subject (it's just
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In this article Ceri James describes himself firstly as a singersongwriter - there is another singersongwriter called Ceri James it therefore causes confusion. Also the Ceri James listed here although he is a writer he works under different names like
Kezzatron and with a band called The mountaineers
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It's not a question of he isn't as important as me - people have a right to know accuate information - this article doesn't really provide that. I tried to edit this article to explain who I am and that we are two different people not one and the same but that got deleted by someone on wikipedia. If
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Well I don't think people should write their own history as a general rule(isn't that what the Nazi's did). But whatever, I already spoke to Ceri James a few years back who quite possibly wrote this article himself - I don't know. I think he was a bit worried there would be confusion about the name
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What??? It's not relevant that the article might have been done by the person themselves or by their best friend. Of course it's relevant it's the most relevant question you can ask. Also If the ordinary boys is made up of session musicians then it wouldn't be a band - it would be
Preston's backing
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true enough he was a session musician(possibly still is)for Echo & The
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Jasynnash2 might be right his proposal might be the fairest way forward. If the article had been about Ceri James the keyboardist and session musician I'd have had no problem with it. It's the singersongwriter part which is causing confusion. I think it must be wikipedia policy that all
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and he doesn't use the name Ceri James. He works mostly as a session musician not as a singersongwriter under this name therefore the article is misleading. The other singersongwriter Ceri James not listed here has released an album under the name Ceri James.
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sticks to discussing the article itself and the policies and guidelines which mean it needs to be deleted as at the moment it looks like a he isn't as important as me arguement which doesn't help the article or wikipedia in anyway. Thanks.
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I think alot of the aticles about bands and musicians on wikipedia are done by the band members or musicians themselves. They shouldn't do this it should happen organically. There seem to be quite a few articles that should be deleted.
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which means it should be deleted. I'm not proposing to replace this article with a new one about myself immediately - time will tell if either party reaches notability status although there is a strong case that I'm already qualified.
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despite the drama surrounding this I've decided to way in. I don't believe the
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