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I disagree with "all works by this very notable artists get a free pass". Nothing should get a "free pass" on Knowledge. The reason I didn't ask for a merge/redirect is because a.) almost every time I merge/redirect a pop song it gets undone 2 seconds later, and b.) I think the (Lady GaGa song) part
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goes on to say "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song." That would include the "marginal song by The Beatles" (although, frankly, I highly doubt that any song by
150:, merge strongly preferred. Extremely strong do-not-delete edit history. While song is totally not notable it is by a Grammy-nominated artist whose album hit the top-10 in charts in several countries. In my book, this qualifies under the "all works by this very notable artist 420:. Unlikely search term, so redirect is inappropriate, and I scoff at the notion that Lady Gaga is sufficiently famous to warrant any kind of exception. The only reason I have ever heard of her is the constant need to delete and redirect articles about her non-notable singles.— 379:
David and TenPound both make good arguments, in my opinion. As this is a single released on the internet, I think it is appropriate to delete it. The relevant information can be included in the artist's article and if/ when the song is included on an album, added that way.
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redirect and merge. I do not think a merge would be controversial at this time. It would be a shame to lose the edit history and have some editor later spend time rewriting the article should this song ever become notable in its own right.
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got exactly as much press as this has - i.e. virtually no independent press - I and many others would say it qualifies under a free pass. Maybe you wouldn't, but I would be shocked if and afd for such an article wasn't immediately
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The Beatles would have no independent press, as there would be at least 25 professional reviewers writing articles along the lines of "I can't believe no one has written about this song!")--
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have sufficient notability to have individual articles" (emphasis mine). Unfortunately, many misread this and think it says that albums are automatically notable.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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recommends redirects for non-notable songs, so I'm kind of surprised this went to AFD instead of a
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as it isn't a notable song. It should probably be merged to the Album but that's not for AfD.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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makes for an unlikely redirect term. Also, saying "should this song ever become notable" is
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I have restored the AfD notice on the article. It was only missing for ~ 5 hours after
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for reasons given, but also for the dreadful writing, namely, "Christmas Tree is
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Unfortunately, the "free pass" idea stems from a common misreading of
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at the moment. Recreate if it is a big hit at some later date.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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exclusively premiered on Perez Hilton on December 2, 2008.
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as a non-plausible search term, fails notability per
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list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Lady GaGa
MBisanz
02:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Christmas Tree (Lady GaGa song)
Christmas Tree (Lady GaGa song)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
WP:SONGS
Ten Pound Hammer
18:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
WP:IAR
WP:SONGS
WP:MERGE
WP:BOLD
davidwr
talk
contribs
e-mail
18:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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