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674:(for example) has an article, all lists of winners should have articles, but that is not how Knowledge (XXG) works. Knowledge (XXG) has articles only for topics which are “notable,” where notable topics are defined as those that have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. So in the case of this year’s Oscars, notice that 652:
The lists in these articles constitute a valuable encyclopaedic resource about music preferences, becoming more valuable as time passes and the change or stability in those preferences is revealed. The popularity of the pieces is demonstrated as being far more enduring than any "pop" pieces. The
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arguments won't work. The original top 100 did get some press coverage, but even then most of the keep arguments in that AfD were dubious or non-policy-based: "so marginal that they hardly seem worth the debate", "no less notable than The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show" (untrue: see the amount of
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The AfD nomination there (as here) cites non-notability but the discussion (both for and against) lacks understanding of the Knowledge (XXG) concept of notability, arguing that the ABC list is not important or is interesting to readers. But Knowledge (XXG) defines notability not in terms of
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Inherently unencyclopedic list. Promotional. Fails GNG. Speedy declined on the grounds that it is part of event series where every other one has a page, but even if hypothetically the other lists (or the series as a whole) are notable, notability is not transitive: this list is not notable.
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This AfD raises an issue not in that nomination: This article is unencyclopedic because rather than being a collection of information about the ABC list, it is essentially a copy of the ABC list. —
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Perhaps the word “promotional” is unfortunate: I don’t mean to say the Knowledge (XXG) article is promotional but rather that the ABC list it is copied from is intended to raise ratings.
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were astonishingly poor, with nobody at all advancing anything that resembled actual policy-based reasons. If you can find a policy-based reason to keep this article, say so.
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Good question: I say it is “inherently unencyclopedic” because rather than being a collection of information about the ABC list, it is essentially a copy of the ABC list. See
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The last post at that AfD cites relevant sources, but they apply to that list not this. Perhaps someday this list will have sources to make it notable, but it is
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That AfD is of little relevance here. A majority of the discussion there was on copyright, which is not at issue here (assuming the ABC free licenses their list).
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As not notable. No evidence of significant coverage in third-party sources. There's also no evidence of notability for some other entries in the series, e.g.
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has a long list of sources, most of them independent of the Academy. Notice also that the list of nominees and winners is a minority of the article. —
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I agree notability is not inherited, but in what way is this promotional? Also, for all the same reasons in the AfD quoted above.
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This is the 2015 edition of an annual, long-running, and well known public music poll. Granted, it's not as famous as the
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If you read the AfDs, you'll see that the early polls were kept because they received independent media coverage and met
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unencyclopedic list" (my emphasis) as the nominator says, given how many other equivalent competitions are covered in
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music choices themselves, and their composers, are all notable and linked to well-developed important articles.
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are based) because classical music isn't as popular as pop music. But I don't see how you can call it an "
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know what significant coverage in independent reliable sources is: I invite you to change your !vote. —
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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significant coverage in secondary reliable sources that are independent of the subject
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Classic 100 Ten Years On (ABC)
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For what it's worth, this debate happens every single year - and
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Classic 100 Symphony (ABC)
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Classic 100 chamber (ABC)
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles_for_deletion/Classic_100_Mozart_(ABC)
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for analogous examples of unencyclopedic content. —
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