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431:. Its my understanding that Claranet is now, and has always been, a minor company. The BBC article only tangentially references Claranet, and is really about UK millionaires. And having only 150K accounts in two countries with a population of likely over 100 million really demonstrates their minor status. A company should not be included on Knowledge just because some people have heard about it, or may have used it in the past. Clarenet's listing needs to be supported by more relative & actual referenced articles. 414:, and please note the BBC news cite I have just added. Just because it may now be unimportant as an ISP, in the 1990s it was well known, at least in Germany when Compuserve was my ISP. Just because not much can be written about it - meaning it may remain a stub - is no reason to delete it. Unless a suitable merge destination exists, it can stay a well-referenced stub. - 341:: I also remember them as one of the earliest ISPs in the UK, existing well before the Freeserve days that marked a big expansion in the British online population, but they seem to be oddly missing from the web nowadays (in evidence of notability as well as customers). Agree with Phil that it's difficult to add a keep vote with no positive results. 236:. Yes, that's from my personal knowledge, and no, I haven't yet provided any sources for it, so I haven't made a bolded "keep" recommendation, but I'm suggesting it as an area in which we should look for sources before making any decision about the disposition of the article. I'm surprised that, when the nominator was reading through 363:, they list Claranet as the 9th largest out of 10 companies. So they are next to last in regards to significant ISP companies. Even if you found a list from a few years earlier, its possible that they could be even farther down the list since another company with a larger subscription base could have been acquired by someone else. 360:. I looked through the Google results and found nothing notable to add to their Knowledge page, so that is why I added them to Articles for deletion page. I think we can both agree that the web hosting/domain registration portion and the ISP portion of Claranet are very different businesses. In the document that Phil highlights 322:
saying that any particular position in a popularity chart or number of subscribers proves notability, but it is evidence that we should not use the 2010 position of the company in a different market as a reason to assume non-notability. Proof of notability will take more wading through sources than I'm prepared to do today.
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lists Claranet as the 9th largest UK ISP in 1993 with 450,000 subscribers, but several of those higher in the list came into the market much later than Claranet, so I'm sure an equivalent list for a few years earlier would have it higher up. Again, to avoid some of the inevitable ripostes, I am not
224:. Claranet may currently be the 18th largest web hosting company in the UK, but around a decade ago it was known not as a web hosting company but as one of the major Internet service providers (along with the likes of 237: 162: 245: 248:), he didn't notice any that are more than minor references in newsletters or directories, so, unless someone else gets in first, I suppose I'll have to read through them myself. 117: 241: 293: 267: 156: 206:
Page itself is only 4 sentences. About half of the references are from their own site. Other reference are about them acquiring other non-notable companies.
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Google Book search on them finds only minor references in newsletters or directories.
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Hardly the significant source or references necessary to be included in Knowledge.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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