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385:. Every time this has been nominated, those voting "keep" have said that it can be more than a dicdef with a laundry list of uses in pop culture if only someone would clean it up. Every time it hasn't happened. In this case, rather than the norm of assuming that multiple previous failed nominations strengthens an article's case for being kept, I think the multiple times the article has failed to satisfy the condition of the conditional keeps indicates that is will never satisfy such a condition. There just doesn't seem to be any meaningful scholarship on the term, and we don't publish an article about a term on the strength of mere examples of usage and the existence of a definition. — 309:. There's been a quite lengthy period since the last afd, and the current article is still not clearly within policy boundaries. As Saxifrage notes, promised fleshing out of the article into something encyclopedic has not occured. Last afd ended in no consensus as well. The article hasn't been nominated that many times anyway. If articles aren't brought well into bounds of policy, they remain vulnerable to legitimate afd nomination. No need to assume bad faith at all 1070:.I found this article useful. Being a nerd who was unfamiliar with this term, rather than doing an internet search which would have just turned up a bunch of porn, I came to wikipedia. The definition was simple, without porn, and I now know what the term means. I would venture to guess that the people who would like this entry deleted are working from a moral objection, rather than a "purity of wikipedia" standpoint. 521:- this is a dicdef for a slang term. None of teh references cited in the article are references useful for the expansionof the article. In fact, the weight of the article is really turning it into a list of refrences to the term in popular culture. The fact that the term is used a lot doesn't make this any less of a dicdef. -- 410:
Not necessarily. In some cases this is due to a lack of attention by editors, and that doesn't warrant deletion. In others it is a lack of attention by the rest of the world in a form that we can legitimately reference. Which one it is tends to be a judgement call. In this case there has been enough
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Except that this "could" is not so obvious to everyone. The fact that it hasn't been cleaned up indicates to me that it cannot be, rather than could be. I've tried to find reliable sources to start a cleanup and failed. (Note that none in the article currently qualify as reliable sources as they're
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as dicdef; same thing I !voted last time (and the time before that, I think). If anything, this article seems like it has gotten shorter since the last time it was here at AfD. It is currently a one-sentence dicdef followed by a lengthy "Usage in entertainment" section
597:-- This a useful and well-written article about a popular term of pop culture. It is also the name of the most sucessful hockey team in the history of the Electronic Fantasy Hockey Leauge, and was also made into a hit by international recording artist Brody. 98:
Nothing but a slang dicdef. Knowledge is not a dictionary or usage guide of slang. The article looks big because of a big collection of usage cases, which is hardly an encyclopedic purpose to list where in movied a particular obscenity has been used.
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the next person who finds it necessary to renominate this for deletion. What I would like to see is this ever-evolving and well-referenced article brought up to Featured Article status, even if it doesn't have a shot at making Main Page.
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just a dicdef, followed by a list of random references that do nothing more than prove that it's a dicdef. If anyone can figure out how to make any sort of halfway meaningful article out of it, even a stub, I'll be happy to change my vote.
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Note: I don't see a merge as being viable. The information would still lack sources beyond "x has said it" ones, which are inadequate for Knowledge's purposes in any article. The only alternative to straight deletion I see is to
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Thank you for volunteering to help fix the article. Note that I plan on personally renominating this if six months from now it is still a dicdef + list of attestations, so mind where you say you'll put your knuckles and keep
262:-- I realize we don't have a concept of double jeopardy around here, but seriously. It may be wise to talk to the nominator and see if sanctions are required as well, since this is bordering on a bad faith nomination. 790: 78: 242:
be the subject of scholarship does not mean that is has been. Since we don't publish original research, such scholarship-in-potential must happen and be found by an editor before we can justify an article here. —
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No, but being a definition makes it more suited for a dictionary. I'm not saying it shouldn't be covered. I still think it should be merged, but there's not enough here to merit a standalone article.
698:. Looks like a highly-referenced article on a sexual act. Unlikely to be found in many dictionaries. Per the outcomes of the many previous excessive noms, subject deserves inclusion here. -- 411:
attention at AfDs and in managing vandalism of the article that I'm leaning heavily to seeing the lack of cleanup as a lack of possibility of cleanup rather than a lack of will to do it. —
990:. The article has been saved from deletion before on the argument that it can be expanded, and it hasn't been expanded all four times. Is this because no-one has bothered, or because it 284:
It's been brought up so many times that the nominator is either ignorant or trying to force an issue that should have been dead after, oh, about the third try. It is not clear which.
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Yes, the definition and attestations are sourced, but there is nothing else. How does the the dicdef being well-sourced make the fact that it's a dicdef irrelevant? —
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Only because we've got some issues with what's deemed "reliable." Stubs are, minimally, dicdefs, and there's no question as to how well known this term is and how it
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per Improv. Knowledge is not Wiktionary. Wiktionary can just go away and nobody would miss it. Also, 5th nom? Yeah, keep, for whatever reason it was kept before.
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this nomination needs to be fixed. First the title on the top needs to be to the article in question not to the AFD discussion itself. Second this is the
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per above. This is a textbook dict def; I'm not even sure why there's so much discussion here. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go wash out my brain.
963:, and hasn't managed to expand beyond that in the entire time that it's been here. This belongs in a dictionary, and Wiktionary already has it. 504: 341:
Plenty of sources. The popular culture references demontrates more than a dictionary. I'm bothered by so many previous nominations (another
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If an article is continuously "unclean", is that in itself a reason to delete? This is just a genuine question and not meant to counter. --
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Still, most people usually prefer to keep poo in a separate, preferrably remote, place and not spread it all over the dining table.
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5th not the second AFD. Finally, there is no notice on the article about the article about the AFD. It needs to be added. --
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I'd strongly suspect just unaware of the previous nominations, given the brokenness of the nomination at first. —
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be expanded? (I tried to, so I've already decided for myself what the answer to that rhetorical question is.) —
882:, verifiable info about a sexual slang term. I would prefer keep over merge, to let the article grow over time. 1118:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Would Knowledge really be worse off without this stupid article? Furthermore, is it necessary to have
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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this article provides a synopsis of a wonderful and multifaceted piece of Americana.--
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under debate is whether it can be more than a dictionary definition with a list of
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What's the evidence for "bordering on a bad faith nomination"? I don't see any.
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over a delete, however, if consensus tends towards getting rid of the article.
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on this. It's a dicdef, with loads of citations, but still just a dicdef.
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Dicdef. Popular culture references are of negligible encyclopedic value
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Whether it's notable isn't being questioned—it's clearly notable. What
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please it is notable term we do not need to keep renominating this one
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slang term in Knowledge? Perhaps this might be better at Wiktionary.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Cleveland steamer (2 nomination)
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per the above. How many times do we have to discuss this? --
1076:. Dicdef. Already in Wiktionary, what more do people want? -- 238:
mere examples of usage.) Essentially, the fact that this
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to wiktionary. Numerous mentions ranging from 2001 (
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People predict the future all the time, it's called
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Manual of Style: Avoid trivia sections in articles
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Cleveland steamer (2 nomination)
deletion review
RFerreira
00:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Cleveland steamer
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2nd
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mikkanarxi
19:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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20:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Saxifrage

22:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
badlydrawnjeff
talk
22:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Coprophilia
Aaron
23:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Johnbrownsbody
23:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
User:Aaron
User:Johnbrownsbody
Emeraude
00:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
badlydrawnjeff

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