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what to keep, delete or redirect would be fine, were it consistent. If it were, the 'drummer in X' in every band on
Knowledge would have the same rules applied. And in actual fact, the rules would apply to practically every member of every band that didn't do anything 'notable', such as simply turn up and play. Larry Mullen Jnr, Paul Kodish, Dominic Howard (as previously cited) or Stephen Morris. As drummers in their respective bands, they are no more or less notable in this context.
513:. What makes the Muse drummer Dominic Howard notable enough to have a page dedicated to him, outside of the context of his membership of that band? Nothing at all (according to the article), yet his page isn't up for deletion. It is also notable that Craig Gill is now the subject of a reasonably well publicised campaign to get an Inspiral Carpets song to number one in the UK at Christmas 2016, in his memory.
375:- countless reports of his death support his notability as the ex-drummer with one of the most prominent musical acts ever to come out of Manchester. It's also hard to believe that an article fully 9 years old would suddenly be nominated for deletion, and I'd question the rationale behind that action.
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Can we agree that if the article is expanded sufficiently, to include further references to Mr. Gill's other works outside of the band and also the various references in both mainstream and social media post-mortem, it warrants keep status? This will include information regarding the
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If I may, a more pertinent question would be now that the authorities have been notified of
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Dominic Howard has nothing to do with this AfD. If you feel that his article is a candidate for AfD feel free to submit one through the usual process. That fans are trying to get one the songs into the UK Top 40 is a great gesture, but only serves to confirm that the individual is not notable outside
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Inspiral Carpets are a well known band, and Craig was certainly a part of that and Manchester music culture. The rationale for deletion is bizarre. 'Nothing new' has been added on countless pages for all manner of reasons. Is there a stopwatch running on each page to
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Really? This isn't about the entire membership of the band, or indeed the band itself. This is about an individual member whom has died suddenly and the ground swell of feeling, widespread reporting, recognition and proactivity generated as a direct consequence. The subjective approach to deciding
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an artist needs to have had a notable career outside of the band. This is always a difficult proposition when it concerns drummers. A quick check at discogs.com shows that his output is all with the
Inspiral Carpets. There is a hint of him being an author, but that book was written together with a
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Death alone is not a reason for deletion. Gill was more than a drummer for a successful band - he was part of
Manchester's wider cultural scene with his tours, book and DJing. Every newspaper and many music sites have carried obituaries of Gill - that makes him important enough to retain his entry
780:- The Facebook page created in support of this campaign has attracted over 25,000 followers in one week - In response to the view that tabloid outlets are unreliable (which I generally agree with, however in this case they have reported factually), the Guardian ran this
52:. There is certainly no consensus to delete this article. Most of the discussion revolves around the question of whether Craig Gill is notable enough to justify a stand-alone article, or whether the article should be re-directed to
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The "article" has been a redirect for some time as the subject is not independently notable. It was changed to back to a stub article yesterday in the event of his death, but nothing new, other than his death, has been added.
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