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philosophies, but aren't certain of the guy behind the work that they enjoy (he's introverted (one of his great topics) and often avoids the media). I personally don't believe that being self-published devalues the notability, quality, or integrity of his work. It's just an article, not the end of the world, so delete it if you must (even though I've seen far worse articles, which perplexes me as to why when I look at the History of this article there's a lot of back and forth controversy). I do have a complaint about the Knowledge (XXG) community here. There seems to be presuppositions of the integrity and character behind article creations. Anyone who knows anything about his work knows his beliefs regarding fame, money, and personal gain. I can't speak for the rest of the contributors, however the page isn't for promotion nor was it meant to be worded in such a manner. My complaint isn't so much the deletion of any internet article (it's an asinine situation), but rather the hostile vibes towards imperfect contributors. Because Knowledge (XXG) isn't "policed" by a neutral, trustworthy staff, but rather everyday contributors, it seems rather easy to overlook/exaggerate certain guidelines out of spite, "clique", etc.
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I appreciate the new rule: A person should keep their mouth shut after a new page is up. The attack bots will accuse you of site vandalism. As far as I can tell, none of the contributions made were harmful or offensive to anyone or anything. You speak as though the contributors to this article were
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On second thought, the creator actually writes a lot like Jami. I can tell because I want to repeat him, "Because Knowledge (XXG) isn't 'policed' by a neutral, trustworthy staff, but rather everyday contributors, it seems rather easy to overlook/exaggerate certain guidelines out of spite, 'clique',
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Hello, I am closely affiliated with the subject of the article, and I originally created the page. He is indeed a self-published author who, despite being self-published, has developed a devoted fan base who I felt deserved a "go-to source" as to who this guy is: people have enjoyed his books and
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Your comment is unclear, since the editing record shows that your first edit was about 20 minutes after the topic was created - implying that some form of announcement or other direct communication provided you with "after I heard that Criss Jami now had one". Absent that, another plausible
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I think Tedickey just proved my point. People must not be allowed to make an account to support a certain cause, otherwise they're considered a "meatpuppet". At least I can admit why and when I came to the site, I don't deny it. I just think this is silly to be so obsessive.
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On the contrary. The contributors to the topic have been offensive, making accusations, using self-published sources and vague assertions of notability. That's in the editing history (including your own edits and comments). The other editors have asked for
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troublemakers who invaded your home when really you're the only individual escalating something you personally disagree with. If you think the article should be deleted, great! But you evidently have a bigger issue with harmless users than an article.
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hmm I have no idea what all that means. I indeed made a Knowledge (XXG) account after I heard that Criss Jami now had one. The rumors about this place must be true. I'd prefer editors, not stalkers and attack bots.
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is quite correct in stating that self-published authors aren't automatically precluded from having articles, but they (like every other subject) must satisfy the notability requirements, and Criss Jam doesn't.
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and pages created by or affiliated with the subject. His books are self-published through Amazon's CreateSpace facility, which should immediately ring alarm bells. There also appears to be a
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That link was hilarious, thanks for the laugh! "I edit-warred, made disruptive edits and sockpuppeteered, and those bastard admin nazis blocked me for it!"
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And I almost want to change my vote because I hardly encourage anyone being a part of a site who so closely monitors users with such opposition.
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Chriss Jami) who have advocated keeping the topic. The editing history shows that they are closely connected. A
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issue with the page's creator, looks a lot like an attempt to use Knowledge (XXG) for self-promotion.
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interpretation of your remark might be that you were watching Criss Jami's lack of progress in
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is probably a good thing, to see how many individuals are conducting the discussion).
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http://theoks.net/blog/2009/08/27/reblog-why-i-really-hate-wikipedia-administrators/
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Going back to the history, it appears that one created this topic (see
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Why of course it's funny. There's humor in truth, my friend.
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This is a neutral vote from the creator of the article.*
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