Knowledge (XXG)

:Articles for deletion/Crownpeak - Knowledge (XXG)

Source 📝

311:
company if a client makes a query about it. As such, there is no editorial oversight into the selection of companies by Gartner in these circumstances. I would however trust them for facts about company that could establish notability such as a company being the market leader by sales volume for example. Setting Gartner aside, there is
382:- A company and it's flagship product's notability are inextricably related so articles about both are relevant of the purposes of discussion. Specialised software is not going to attract a lot of mainstream press. IT magazines are the appropriate ares for finding sources, and these sources are independent of the company. -- 127:
Not notable, spammy, was CSD'd a few days ago but restored and recreated with less spam, however still many claims made without suitable references, is never going to develop into a useful article which furthers the knowledge in wikipedia, will only serve to advertise the company. I expect it'll be a
348:
Your links confirm only that Crownpeak supply certain software, and that the software news media has reviewed it (in the same way they spend half an hour looking over every commercial software package). None of the links say the company or its product is in any way unusual. The Age article mentions
310:
guidelines makes more sense. I would discount the Gartner report. I've had access to Gartner, and Gartner analysts, and even work with a consultant who has written Gartner analysis. For the purposes of notability, it is key to understand that Gartner will research and publish information on any
189:
Crowpeak is a company which provides hosted cms solutions, they function along the same lines of Joomla which is opensource and Clickability which is in the same league. My first posting for the same was deleted as it was considered too much of an ad, so I rewrote it. I have currently removed the
286:
recommends significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. The current article gives no hint that is achievable. The reference for the customer list appears to be the company web page, and the Gartner "positive" award includes the appraisal "CrownPeak struggles to win enterprise
597:
Did anyone actually read the references? None of them are sufficient to establish notability. The first is a directory listing; the second is a promotional notice at salesforce.com; the third a press release; and the fourth a Gartner rating. None of those amount to the significant coverage in
407:
company releasing software sold for more than, say, $ 100 is "notable" (because there will be "reviews" of all such software – that's how the IT magazines make articles and sell ad space). I haven't seen a source (let alone a secondary source suggested by
437:
uses coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. IT magazines do not review every piece of software available. There is an editorial process in determination of topics and the creation of their articles. Other notability guidelines such as
433:- Firstly, there have been plenty of software articles that have been deleted due to lack of coverage in reliable sources, so your fear that every piece of software released will be given an article is unfounded. Secondly, our 517:
I notice that the comment above is your second ever contribution to wikipedia. Whilst I am pleased you chose to add to this debate, might I politely enquire if you have any form of vested interest in the company?
190:
list of awards for which I do not have a reference from a notable site. I can build it along the lines of Joomla, where the focus is on community. Would that help. Any other suggestions.
555:
for now? No offense to sally, its great if she is interested in participating in the AFD section but with a total of two edits, one wouldn't expect an edit to AFD to be one of the two.
120: 128:
keep because of some obscure news which, if anyone can be bothered to spend their time on, will turn out to support some but not all of the claims on the page. I appeal to
353:
link confirms my above comment that notable means "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources". I think the most appropriate policy/guideline is
469:. I believe the page gives a snapshot of the company from several third party resources. But yes it does have room for more improvement in the content. 230:. I agree with User:Jenuk1985 that it would be possible to replace the existing content with a NPOV, well-sourced article with this title.— 499: 54: 17: 312: 241: 495: 87: 82: 91: 642: 36: 155:
Delete. I added the ad tag, but a few days later there has been no improvement. Still no evidence of notability. --
74: 403:
I won't be very unhappy if people want to keep this article, but the logical conclusion from your reply is that
641:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
129: 503: 52: 491: 477: 238: 625: 607: 585: 566: 535: 481: 451: 421: 391: 370: 336: 296: 275: 248: 222: 199: 184: 164: 149: 78: 56: 575: 556: 487: 473: 216: 180: 320: 417: 366: 316: 292: 70: 62: 603: 195: 49: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
439: 409: 354: 283: 552: 548: 434: 412:) saying there is anything unusual about this company or its software (it's not notable). 231: 621: 528: 447: 387: 332: 324: 268: 210: 176: 160: 142: 350: 307: 413: 362: 288: 599: 349:
Crownpeak and some other products, only to dismiss them and recommend another. The
191: 108: 442:
are supplemental to the primary notability criteria and do not replace them. --
574:- added spa tag just in case. Just a thing for the closing admin to consider. 617: 521: 443: 383: 328: 261: 156: 135: 361:
recommend adding every company that has ever released a software package.
258:
It might be possible, but will it happen? If removed, what info is lost?
208:
I can see no reason why this can't be improved rather than deleted.
635:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
616:
And what of the ones I posted earlier in the discussion? --
306:- rather than appealing to common sense, appealing to the 115: 104: 100: 96: 598:reliable sources required to establish notability. 319:. The Age, a major Australian daily sees fit to 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 645:). No further edits should be made to this page. 171:Too much focus on company awards and leaders. 8: 48:. Largely for the reasons listed by Whpq. – 506:comment was added at UTC timestamp (UTC). 287:business from traditional competitors". 323:, but more importantly point to more 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 502:outside this topic. The preceding 132:, but with a great deal of hope.-- 24: 1: 547:- Hm. Do you think this is a 435:general notability guidelines 662: 626:23:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC) 608:22:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC) 586:01:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC) 567:01:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC) 536:15:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC) 482:05:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC) 57:03:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC) 452:10:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC) 422:04:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC) 392:03:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC) 371:02:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC) 337:19:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC) 297:10:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC) 276:15:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC) 249:11:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC) 223:10:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC) 200:10:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC) 185:09:32, 6 March 2009 (UTC) 165:09:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC) 150:09:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC) 638:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 500:few or no other edits 515:Comment re. Sally12d 44:The result was 534: 507: 325:in-depth coverage 274: 148: 653: 640: 582: 578: 563: 559: 533: 531: 525: 519: 485: 273: 271: 265: 259: 246: 236: 221: 219: 213: 147: 145: 139: 133: 118: 112: 94: 34: 661: 660: 656: 655: 654: 652: 651: 650: 649: 643:deletion review 636: 580: 576: 561: 557: 529: 523: 520: 269: 263: 260: 245: 242: 232: 217: 211: 209: 143: 137: 134: 114: 85: 69: 66: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 659: 657: 648: 647: 631: 630: 629: 628: 611: 610: 591: 590: 589: 588: 551:? Or shall we 541: 540: 539: 538: 471: 470: 463: 462: 461: 460: 459: 458: 457: 456: 455: 454: 425: 424: 395: 394: 374: 373: 340: 339: 300: 299: 278: 252: 251: 243: 225: 203: 187: 168: 167: 130:WP:COMMONSENSE 125: 124: 65: 60: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 658: 646: 644: 639: 633: 632: 627: 623: 619: 615: 614: 613: 612: 609: 605: 601: 596: 593: 592: 587: 584: 583: 573: 570: 569: 568: 565: 564: 554: 550: 546: 543: 542: 537: 532: 527: 526: 516: 513: 512: 511: 510: 509: 505: 501: 497: 493: 489: 483: 479: 475: 468: 465: 464: 453: 449: 445: 441: 436: 432: 429: 428: 427: 426: 423: 419: 415: 411: 406: 402: 399: 398: 397: 396: 393: 389: 385: 381: 378: 377: 376: 375: 372: 368: 364: 360: 356: 352: 347: 344: 343: 342: 341: 338: 334: 330: 326: 322: 318: 314: 309: 305: 302: 301: 298: 294: 290: 285: 282: 279: 277: 272: 267: 266: 257: 254: 253: 250: 247: 239: 237: 235: 229: 226: 224: 220: 214: 207: 204: 201: 197: 193: 188: 186: 182: 178: 174: 170: 169: 166: 162: 158: 154: 153: 152: 151: 146: 141: 140: 131: 122: 117: 110: 106: 102: 98: 93: 89: 84: 80: 76: 72: 68: 67: 64: 61: 59: 58: 55: 53: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 637: 634: 594: 579: 571: 560: 544: 522: 514: 472: 466: 430: 404: 400: 379: 358: 357:and it does 345: 321:mention them 303: 280: 262: 255: 233: 227: 205: 172: 136: 126: 50:Juliancolton 45: 43: 31: 28: 498:) has made 351:notability 308:notability 234:S Marshall 577:FingersOn 558:FingersOn 212:Jenuk1985 177:Alexius08 71:Crownpeak 63:Crownpeak 504:unsigned 496:contribs 488:Sally12d 414:Johnuniq 363:Johnuniq 289:Johnuniq 121:View log 600:ukexpat 572:Comment 545:Comment 440:WP:CORP 410:WP:CORP 355:WP:CORP 346:Comment 284:WP:CORP 256:Comment 202:Belmond 192:Belmond 88:protect 83:history 595:Delete 553:WP:AGF 549:WP:SPA 484:sally 327:. -- 315:, and 281:Delete 173:Delete 116:delete 92:delete 581:Roids 562:Roids 524:Chzz 474:Sally 431:Reply 401:Reply 380:Reply 264:Chzz 138:Chzz 119:) – ( 109:views 101:watch 97:links 16:< 622:talk 618:Whpq 604:talk 492:talk 478:talk 467:Keep 448:talk 444:Whpq 418:talk 388:talk 384:Whpq 367:talk 333:talk 329:Whpq 317:this 313:this 304:Keep 293:talk 244:Cont 228:Keep 218:Talk 206:Keep 196:talk 181:talk 161:talk 157:Dmol 105:logs 79:talk 75:edit 46:keep 405:any 359:not 624:) 606:) 530:► 518:-- 508:. 494:• 486:— 480:) 450:) 420:) 390:) 369:) 335:) 295:) 270:► 215:| 198:) 183:) 175:. 163:) 144:► 107:| 103:| 99:| 95:| 90:| 86:| 81:| 77:| 620:( 602:( 490:( 476:( 446:( 416:( 386:( 365:( 331:( 291:( 240:/ 194:( 179:( 159:( 123:) 113:( 111:) 73:(

Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Juliancolton


03:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Crownpeak
Crownpeak
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
WP:COMMONSENSE
 Chzz 
 ► 
09:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Dmol
talk
09:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Alexius08
talk
09:32, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Belmond

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.