909:- Personal blogs don't count as sources, sorry. Ctrl-Alt-Delete hasn't really accomplished anything worth noting, even considering it's a webcomic and webcomics are by definition not notable. There's little you can say about Ctrl-Alt-Delete: it exists, it pumps out mediocre content on a regular basis and it has a readership of a few thousand. I can point you to any number of webcomics that meet those criteria and yet have also have no presence on Knowledge (XXG). Just existing and doing things is not criteria for being on Knowledge (XXG), otherwise I would have a 50,000 word article on myself. Not to mention that the article itself is either consistently vandalised by those who hate the webcomic, or consistently whitewashed. So what we have is an article that is either pointless, abusive, or fancruft. Doesn't seem worth it to me. --
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They never do anything of note. They start and they update. There's no news in that. Nobody writes articles, print or otherwise, about how a webcomic has continued to update after two long years of updating. Releasing print books of content is not notable, anyone can do it. Winning "webcomic awards"
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