206:(length issue). Note that these appearances are not mere cultural references but directly relevant to the man himself, and should be considered separately from this article. If delete, merge it somewhere. All those species and other things named after him are notable; they didn't just name those things after him so the information could be hidden. If delete, merge this last section into
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While the current version indeed is unsatisfactory, I find lot of the information useful. I guess this is not the place to discuss the justice of other similiar pages being deleted. We should focus on this one.(I could, but won't, come up with lots of examples of articles on
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