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504:. Nonnotable concept. The concept would, at first sight, appear to be most of interest in discrete mathematics, in particular for functions on finite domains. But the latter are easily seen to coincide with the bijections. I can't think of any interesting properties (beyond being the generator of a finite cyclic group under composition, which by itself is a somewhat boring observation) that applies to these "cyclic functions" in general, which may go a long way to explaining why we can't find anything about them in the literature under any name.  -- 722:. For example, one of the google hits refers to the "cyclic function of the kidneys". That has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this article. Many other Google and scholar hits are of this kind, or are incidental combinations of the words "cyclic" and "function". So, absent more solid and specific sourcing, I am inclined to vote delete. 428:
Yes, if it is not covered in any literature we can find, we shouldn't have an article on it. Otherwise we would have articles on all sorts of unremarkable mathematical topics. The general standard is that we should only have an article once there is enough interest in the literature to justify one.
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The issue is that this term seems to be made up by the Art of Problem Solving site, so pointing to a book by the same author doesn't show much. We had similar issues with MathWorld, which liked to make up terminology not used in the actual literature. If there is no source independent of AoPS that
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Well, there are a bunch of unrelated uses of the term. In many cases, these uses derive from the definitions of the English words "cyclic" and "function". That is a very poor basis for an article. If there are established "technical definitions" of the term, that requires sources, which I'm not
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as editors above have noted other definitions in sourced literature that should be mentioned. There is clearly no standard definition of the term, but one of an encyclopedia's main uses, especially in technical work, is to be a guide when something is encountered in a publication that doesn't give
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Whatever happens, the current "definition" seems to be somewhat original to me. There are many uses of "cyclic" in the literature, which range from just meaning a function that oscillates, such as sine, to meaning a multivariable function that takes the same value if the variables are shifted in a
681:, as per above: it doesn't seem to be notable, it seems to be the invention of a single person, with no other citations. More seriously though: no examples at all are given, aside from involutions. I can actually think of a pile of additional examples, all well known from the study of 52:. There's a powerful argument here that there's no authoritative source for the use of this term in the math world. We need to be very careful to avoid putting our stamp of approval on things, because then *we* become the authoritative source, whether we like it or not. -- 369:
was recently added by the creator of the article under discussion here. I've never encountered the term in the sense used here, and doubt that it is in significant use for this concept, so I'd be inclined to remove that section. For a very different meaning, see
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If the concept lacks a standard name, is that a reason why there should be no article about it? The article need to have some name. This is about functions that generate a finite cyclic group under the operation of composition.
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If the concept lacks a standard name, is that a reason why there should be no article about it? The article need to have some name. This is about functions that generate a finite cyclic group under the operation of composition.
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Given that the original source is AoPS, the right place to look for sources would be in the math competition literature. I have a relevant book or two at home, I will try to remember to see if I can find anything there.
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only refers to the pointwise behaviour of functions, not to that of the iterated function. Take for example the permutation (bijection) on the positive integers whose decomposition in cycles is
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The notion seems useful, but I don't think the name "cyclic function" is standard. I edited the article slightly but I don't know that it's enough to save it. -
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blog post, a dictionary, and an entire book entitled "Intermediate algebra" also published by AoPS). Such sources alone do not establish notability.
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cyclic fashion. The AoPS source seems problematic, and I hope they do not become the next MathWorld in terms of making up original terminology. — Carl
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sources, and we do not have suitably independent sources here. The chant of "Google it" turns up very little of relevance to the subject of
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adequate context, such as for example in an isolated excerpt from the Bostock/Chandler textbook above.
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Well yes, but the people who wrote it are different. Besides, there is the meriam webster reference.
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article. Most of them seem to be incidental combinations of the words "cyclic" and "function".
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Non-notable mathematical term. The AoPS source is not reliable because it is a blog.
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That doesn't seem a suitable redirect target to me. What is described at
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Nothing jumps out in those search engine hits as the subject of
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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section, so that would seem the best target for a merge. --
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