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since the pilot's death is not recorded as being related to aviation, nor does it have any legal implications, I think a delete would be the most appropriate. As for 'covered outside the United States', many other aircraft incidents that are not recorded on
Knowledge (XXG) have been as well - just because two flights are on Knowledge (XXG) doesn't mean 20 more similar aren't, and the two examples given may also be deleted in the future. Honestly, pilots dying mid-air isn't that rare, which is sad, but just the way it is. It's not necessarily a 'rare occurence'.
1743:). However this can still be classified as an "incident" since it was an occurrence that happened inside the aircraft mid-flight, it was a notable event covered by numerous sources (including outside the United States), and it is still believed to be a rare occurrence that doesn't happen often as accidents. At this time I did not edit the article as much since the AFD, however I left on the talk page more information that could be added (if the sources coincide with NOT NEWS). Thank you all for your feed back too (whether against or in favor).
1581:. A medical emergency happened, the plane was diverted, and everyone but the captain lived happily ever after. It's not an accident, so it can't be merged to a list of accidents. I don't think routine incidents like this should have their own article. Yes, the news media did report on it, but we are not beholden to create an article on every single topic that briefly bubbles to the top of
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It isn't weird. Airline flights that just happened are far more likely to find an editor who is willing to create an article than a airline flight that happened in the past. I'm one of the editors whose done articles on older crashes. In my case of the 45 accident articles I've created I did one for
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I know, I know the creator of the page wants to defend his article he wrote. No, that's not why I'm here. The page was created on a current aviation event which is important to know, the incident had wide media coverage (even outside the US), and this doesn't happen a lot. I understand this isn't a
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This flight has no lawsuit nor is related to the setting (an aircraft), whereas turbulence is a part of aviation. If there was clear proof that aircraft ventiliation systems caused the death of the pilot or something like that, then the two above examples would be applicable to this scenario, but
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create an article for that more notable incident? It's kind of weird that those incidents (or similar ones) haven't been listed or created on
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someone dies a natural death at work. If it wasn't in a plane, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. Seems that it wouldn't be notable - the fact it was on a plane doesn't make it notable. The coverage in the news is typical of the "oh, interesting" to fill up space. Will there be any
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