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280:- the akc lets dogs of any breed participate, even mutts and unrecognized breeds, as the point is that "canine good citizens" have a certain amount of basic obedience training that makes them safe around kids. The breeds listed are whatever the owner put on the paperwork when they entered the testing. "All dogs, including both purebred and mixed breed dogs are welcome to participate in the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen (CGC) Program." 214:
The last nomination of this article was closed as no consensus-no prejudice to renomination, nearly six months ago. I did not renominate it immediately in the hope that sources would materialize in that time, but no such luck - there are still no sources. 99% of the hits for "American Mastiff" turn
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who happen to be American - for example, the 'American Mastiff Club' that appears in numerous Google books results has nothing to do with this breed; it is a club for american owners of English Mastiffs. This breed just flat-out isn't notable.
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Just wanted to point out that the issue for deletion isn't whether its a breed or cross breed, as notable cross breeds can also be the subjects of articles, see, e.g.,
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Thanks for the dog show info and I agree that if the breed info was self-reported the news article doesn't prove much. The book reference is clearly
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As such, I wouldn't really say that the newspaper is too terribly reliable. I can't speak to Planet Dog at all, I don't know anything about it. --
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and this newspaper reference that would appear to indicate that one of the breed was shown in the 2007 Charleston Dog Show
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up breeder sites, self-published material, obviously unreliable sources, mirrors of this page, and information on
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actually removes DBI if we find it in articles; it's a weird hybrid of seo scrape and user-submitted content. --
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On the specific question of Dog Breed Info Center I raised, this RfC pretty clearly came down as not WP:RS.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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I gave it my best shot but I don't think that the one WP:RS reference I could come up with
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as both a breed in its own right and as a cross/"designer" breed, so should be deleted.
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Yes, 24.151...., what I was meaning is that IMO it completely fails
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The best new references I could find were this book
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