837:- internet searches alone do not tell the whole story with regards this situation, 1. When he was killed in was before the "internet explosion" - if it were today then there wold be a multitude of internet based sources, if you were to access the hard copy archives of Irish and NI paper you would be able to see the reports. 2. He is written about in a number of the leading books relating to Northern Irish troubles and they have been referenced. 3. which sources listed do you not consider to be
870:, no problem, please see the nominators history of nominations to gauge his POV, I dont have time right now to type out verbaitum the extracts for the books but I will try - they are very well known books with regards this subject, the McNab one being very popular as it was the follow up to his "Brave Two Zero" book with the Moloney and Coogan books being more recognised within the academic world for their insite into the working of the IRA and its history. I'll see what I can do.--
790:, Whether you agree or disagree with the man's politics, his life was an extraordinary one and the information contained on this entry informs the general knowledge and understanding of the Irish conflict. I am interested in all of the extraordinary people on all sides of this conflict whose history and the political choices the made and actions they took can contribute to the general understanding of the war in Ireland.
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803::the IRA were a proscribed and illegal organisation throughout all of Ireland. There was no "war" in Ireland, just a terrorist campaign by an illegal group of monsters responsible for the deaths of innocents. Glorification of these people in pages on Knowledge (XXG) should be discouraged entirely. That is not what encyclopaedias are for.
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thanks for your calm and thoughtful reply. Completely agree that internet searches don't always tell the whole story. For the avoidance of doubt, when the nom indicates "no references" that implies none of the citations provided are considered satisfactory. Could you provide extracts from the books
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This was any amazing man, born in Derry, moved to
Belfast where his house was bombed and his father and brother shot by loyalist. Then commended for bravery by the Irish Army before joining the PIRA, involved in many missions and killed by the British Army. Granted more detail needs to be added but
436:, Stu, in the other articles he is possibly refered to by his English name which I have also listed, please note that his English name is stated in different location as being any comination of Tony or Anthony and McBride and MacBride. regards--
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and what statements from them are you questioning? If you can clearly list and point your argument then we should be able to discuss them sensibly. regards--
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