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445:. The color and and look of the stone is very different, moreover you don't see jade with red outlines as seen in the servant girl with lamp figure, that is clearly an attempt to fake the brownish tint you might see in some ancient pieces. Further, the quality of the carvings in many of the items in the page is poor, real ancient items are better carved than those.
370:: The inclined feminine lines of Ancient Old Jades were not carved by machine tools that make lines straight forward with two sides of line wall straight upward vertically. They were carved one side of line wall straight upward vertically, while another side of line wall plane inclined by ancient bronze jade carving wheels.
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It's really absurd to accuse a person who doesn't even know the
Russian and Ukrainian languages of having spammed the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias. It seems Orion Hsu is a well-known public name for every one in this world to use this name as an artist everywhere in the web-sites, and even in
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This is not true. 高 (Gao) doesn't mean ancient, it means "high", or "elevated", and 高古玉 (Gao Gu Yu) does not translate as "ancient old jade" in
English. "Ancient old jade" does not exist as a specific term for jade, and is invented by the creator of the page. The terminology as described in the
388:: The Ancient Old Jades were carved by imperial skillful hand-made jade carving masters and must be carved simply, clearly and smoothly upon specially selected solid fine jades. This kind of carving is not existed in modern world by machine tools and art carving artists or sculptors.
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or meant as a product placement. I did a search for the term and found nothing in Google News, Books, or
Scholar about it. Furthermore, a Google Web search only found duplicates of the Knowledge article or Ebay listings for Ancient Old Jade products. Also, the article was created by
549:"Gao Gu Yu" can be seen as a sub-category of "Gu Yu", and "Gao" is just there to emphasis the antiquity and specialness of the pieces. So either "old jade" or "ancient jade", but there is no "ancient old jade" category. To merge the two words together is largely nonsensical.
402:: The surface of a jade is very smooth and quite different from other stones. A true experienced jade collector or dealer can easily tell the difference between a Jade and other stones by just touching the surface of a jade carved work of art gently with his fingers.
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This is largey irrelevant to whether the items in the page are authentic or not, since we cannot touch or feel the items, or check the sounds the object makes, or to see it through a strong light source. However there are plenty of pictures of
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guessed by somebody. If someone has different opinions about the contents of this article, he should then join to edit the contents to improve this subject. It's really not good to delete the whole subject of
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was unearthed in the early 21st century as claimed, presumably not in Taiwan, getting it to Mr Hsu's shop would have violated export controls. A simpler theory is that it's a recent creation.
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334:: The sound of a jade knocked slightly on another jade is just like that from a musical instrument and very clear. It’s not such heavy as those sounds knocked by stones or plastic goods.
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the subject in the first place. If it were a legitimate topic, surely some textbook on ancient
Chinese art would mention the term "ancient old jade" - that does not seem to be the case.
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I found one of your images on those
Wikipedias and had assumed you added it; that doesn't seem to be the case. Sorry, I should have checked more carefully. My other points still stand.
395:: A true experienced jade collector or dealer can easily tell the difference between a Jade and other stones by just holding a Jade in hand to feel its heavy weight of high density.
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