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which he is the executive editor of and therefore the stuff isn't even under editorial control but just editorial. I don't there's anything there that couldn't be better put as editor under the register article, it could do with a bit more in it as it is pretty much a stub and it is actually notable.
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and nobody said anything in reply. I notice above this was notified for the authors project, perhaps that would have been more appropriate. There's two things in the list above about him, that he write a techno blog and that he's been criticized as a professional troll, which I would have said were
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Andrew Orlowski, executive editor of the technology website The Register, says: 'The web is a secular religion at the moment and politicians go to pray at events like the Google Zeitgeist conference. Any politician who wants to brand himself as a forward-looking person will get himself photographed
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Thanks. There are a couple of books in those google returns which I believe have enough of a mention to satisfy notability. With the number of cites that easily does the trick I believe. I had looked up his name with climate change in Google books and found nothing useful and must have then just
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I can't find any significant coverage or even enough articles mentioning them of any sort of note. The notability reference there is something on his own site from a non reliable newspaper of which he used to be editor (it says quod vide as its standard). Practically all the hits with google are
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While i agree that reliability of the person is not an indication of notability, the trouble is that the article, as well as your sources, do not convey notability according to our guidelines. And that is the springing point here. We need secondary reliable sources that establish the persons
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I'll ask at WikiProject Journalism about this, do they have some special provision for notability in cases like this where there are hundreds of things on the web but they're practically all by the person himself?
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Kim, did you get a chance to look through the impressive number of citations of Orlowski's columns in scholarly journals and books? See my last comment, Tillman (talk) 05:49, 27 November 2011 below.
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Undecided. First, I would like to note that while among many Wikipedians (and not only them) Orlowski's writing has a bad reputation of being very polemic and factually unreliable (
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There are an impressive number of citations of Orlowski's columns (mostly those in the Register) in books and scholarly publications. See, for example,
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specifically about him. Would a few statements like those perhaps establish notability of the person? Or should we look at what makes authors notable?
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Were you planning to add some of this stuff to the article? I'm not quite sure how to do the academic cites without the appearance of OR. Maybe:
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Orlowski? Outside quoting him, or mentioning him offhand in an articles not specifically about him? Ie. what i've seen so far is secondary
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as "Freddy Niedbalski, a technology reporter for the notorious British technology publication Tech Stink" (
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of cites of his columns in academia. Possibly more than his work merits, but there they are... Cheers,
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Orlowski was strongly criticized as "what I would call a professional troll" by Guardian columnist
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Who knows? With social-scientist types.... well, my bias towards the physical sciences is showing.
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of a 2003 Orlowski column "Most bloggers 'are teenage girls'–survey". There are hundreds more:
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Orlowski made a presentation to the Innovation, Technology, and Spectrum Policy conference at
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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To my mind, this pretty well answers the question of AO's notability. There are literally
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According to the Independent, Orlowski was "described in some quarters as a 'cult figure'"
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You're right about the cites. I wonder if they know they are in essence citing a blog?
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Orlowski wrote several articles (op-eds?) for the Guardian around 2006-2007, such as
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Andrew Orlowski has been lampooned (but this is original research at the moment) in
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as "a British journalist who has written extensively on techno-utopianism."
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Google speaks: secrets of the world's greatest billionaire entrepreneurs
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is significant coverage as the main topic, but not in a reliable source.
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Thats not significant coverage... Is there any significant coverage
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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actually has three separate quotes from Orlowski regarding the
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I found these 3rd-party RS mentions, not yet in the article:
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