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Covey. I'm a little torn, but would like to see the Acumen Learning article stay with the hope that notability increase with community efforts. The Acumen Learning article helps establish the notability of other articles, in particular the Business Acumen and Ram Charan articles. And I'd like to see someone write an article on Stephen M.R. Covey, and certainly a reference to the Acumen Learning article would increase that article's notability. Which begs the question, "Are less than ideally notable articles of value to the Knowledge (XXG) community if they help to establish the notability of other Knowledge (XXG) articles?" Because I can agree that the Acumen Learning article is not ideally notable, but it's certainly not a fabricated article or written solely as an advertisement.
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of view, could lead readers to a narrowed conclusion. Articles like my published Acumen Learning article help to broaden and deepen a researchers perspective on the subject. For example, my reference to GE goes a long way in helping a researcher decide based on factual references whether business acumen is a new buzzword or if it's establishing itself as an important business term. Likewise, my reference to Google's trends of the term further help a researcher draw their own conclusions. For me, the fact that there are businesses teaching business acumen gives credibility to the term, and yet Google's trends seem to suggest that maybe it is a buzzword since it has become increasingly popular in the media.
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be referenced within multiple articles, and do references from other notable Knowledge (XXG) articles make an article notable. For example, let's say that Wilder Farms in Idaho is not at all notable, but someone starts observing that many Knowledge (XXG) articles reference Wilder Farms to give context. Could the argument be made that the references to Wilder Farms meets the criteria for being notable and an article on Wilder Farms would be useful? (Wilder Farms is fictional). Just some thoughts, I'd love to get feedback.
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no evidence of notability on the face of it. I am particularly concerned with the final reference, a google news search on the phrase "business acumen"--and the use of that very general term as providing evidence that their product "Building Business Acumen" has some notability. Had I encountered
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article you could reference companies that he's associated with and the Acumen Learning reference would link to an article on Business Acumen and not to an article on Acumen Learning, probably not what the researcher was expecting. The question is whether Acumen Learning should stand on it's own or
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As I've been researching business acumen it became clear that more references on the subject were needed to help others gain a clearer understanding of the term. For example Knowledge (XXG) has an undocumented criticism of the term for being a new buzzword. That statement, without any further points
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article may not meet this requirement. I tried to establish it with links to notable conferences that Mr. Cope has spoken at, but I'll let the community decide whether that's notable. My other case for notability would be the notable individuals involved in Acumen Learning, particularly Charan and
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are the largest conferences in the training industry and Mr. Cope has been invited multiple times to speak at these engagements. I also looked up speaking engagements and press releases for Mr. Covey and Mr. Charan, the other two partners. While it appears that they have far more notable speaking
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I also read this in the Notability article, "If appropriate sources cannot be found after a good-faith search for them, consider merging the article's content into a broader article providing context." This struck me as a possible solution since my original purpose was to provide context to the
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a very similar article but states, "Currently, Pilot Travel Centers is the largest purveyor of over-the-road diesel fuel in the United States." without any type of reference. In fact, there isn't a single reference in the business profile section of this article. Near as I can tell this Article
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are pretty clear. In plain English, other people (in no way related to your organisation) need to be talking about you. And talking a lot. Further, Knowledge (XXG) is not a business directory and linking a business name to articles wn't work unless thereis an "encyclopedic" reason to do so.
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gives no references, makes undocumented claims, and is an orphan. I'm not calling for it to be deleted, simply making a comparison and the point that the Acumen Learning article ties business acumen to Franklin Covey, to Ram Charan, to GE, etc. You'd have to share my opinion that my article is
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Please take my points into consideration and allow this page to be published. If there are ongoing concerns about this article please help me understand how I can be more compliant and a credible contributor to Knowledge (XXG).
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this article, I would have deleted it as entirely promotional. Some of the other articles mentioned need some attention, true. They'll get it. Promotional articles act as a sort of template for other promotional articles.
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articles. I could see a new section in the business acumen article that elaborates on businesses, books, training, etc. that have marketed business acumen based products. But, then it strikes me that in the
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engagements and press in general, none of it is related to business acumen while Mr. Copes are. Again, one of my primary purposes of submitting this article is to give further insight into business acumen.
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The Acumen Learning page is intended for encyclopedic purposes and not as an advertisement or promotion of Acumen Learning. If there are steps I can take to make this more clear please educate me.
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Further, as I researched other company articles on Knowledge (XXG) I don't see much difference between this article and others and I dare say mine is better documented and researched.
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disseminates company information with a few references to acquisitions. If Acumen Learning had acquisitions or other information to share I would be sure to reference them.
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The references provided are primary (generated by the organisation itself) or trivial (don't actually relate to the organisation). This is actually a candidate for
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I am taking this to AFD for further discussion. Certainly the article is not referenced very well, but that may be fixable.
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In an effort to establish notability I referenced conferences that the Founder Kevin Cope has been invited to speak at.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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I'm open to further ideas on how to establish notability. Maybe someone can point out why the articles
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independent of the subject. As for other articles, they are not under consideration here, and
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However, the following argument, which is somewhat persuasive, has been made on the talk page:
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Google News finds only routine investment related reports, so it also fails the
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to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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attempting something other than just the promotion of a company.
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I read the Notability article and I can see why the
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