Knowledge

:Articles for deletion/Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine - Knowledge

Source 📝

428:
simplicity (no valve in piston). The disadvantages are that a heavier flywheel may be needed and that energy is lost through waste heat. 2) A vacuum condenser can remove spent steam from the cylinder. This can add efficiency at the expense of greater mechanical complexity. A vacuum condenser may not be appropriate for a small engine. 3) A valve in the piston allows the return stroke of the piston to pump used steam from the cylinder. This eliminates the need for a vacuum condenser but adds a precision moving part to a complicated piston design. The engine described uses 3) as the most economical approach.
271:
practice. It appears to have been designed by someone unskilled in steam engine design and thermodynamics and it makes many decisions from a basis of ignorance. Particularly it seems to operate as an engine with no expansion, using some incompressible fluid. It entirely ignores (as Stumpf had such a deep understanding of) the effects of expansion in the steam and the conversion of heat energy into pressure energy.
412:
The inlet valve (not the piston valve) is a "sprung bash valve". The benefit of this is that large solenoid current is not required to open the inlet valve against high pressure steam. The mechanical energy needed to bash open the inlet valve (force X travel) is only about 0.03% of engine power. This
400:
and demonstrated it at Simon Fraser University. In the current effort, he has recreated the uniflow steam engine, the development of which was stopped by the advent of steam turbines and diesel engines. Gelbart is not in business and his efforts are not product prototypes. The motivation for the work
427:
There are three methods of handling spent steam in a uniflow engine. 1) The engine can adiabatically recompress spent steam at TDC to convert mechanical energy (stored in the flywheel) back into heat, some of which is lost though the insulation around the cylinder head. The advantage is mechanical
373:
in wikipedia; you can put virtually anything in a patent, and the patent office will rubber stamp it. They're not reliable; there's no editorial or refereeing in patents, the patent office just check nobody has patented it before. They can only be sources to prove what was patented, and when. They
344:
engine. If this was decent quality OR, this would be published as someone's MSc thesis or whatever and this article could then at least reference that. As it is, we've a dubious invention supported by nothing else other than this article. That's textbook OR and just exactly what we're not here to
270:
I'm seeing no independent sources for the engine described above. I'm seeing almost nothing (outside this article) that meet the standard of well-presented OR by the team itself, such as would be in a technical paper. Overall I find this engine simplistic and far from an improvement over previous
401:
is to preserve important historical technologies that have otherwise been forgotten. The nature of this work on forgotten technologies means there are few references to be cited. The Knowledge article is an attempt to document forgotten historical knowledge before it is lost again.
469:. As it seems to go nowhere in meeting them, then deletion will happen. I'm not calling for it, I doubt that the names on this page known for their interest in steam engines will be keen to remove it either, but as soon as one of the teenagers sees it, it'll be gone. 395:
The uniflow engine primarily the work of Dan Gelbart, a well known retired engineer who specializes in ressurecting obsolete and forgotten technologies. He has worked to restore Galileo's optical instruments in Italy. He reburbished (rebuilt) the very first
204:
So far as I can tell the article is a spam-like advertisement for a patent. The work described is OR and there are no reliable sources other than the original patents, which are not reliable sources for notability, and so the article does not show
442:
Editor Andy Dingley says: "Particularly it seems to operate as an engine with no expansion, using some incompressible fluid." This is a misunderstanding. The engine operates on expanding steam. No incompressible fluid is used.
173: 406:
The electromechanically-actuated inlet valve is logical progression for steam engine control, previously patented. Note that an electromechanically-actuated inlet valve does not require complicated valve gear (cam shafts,
437:
piston is an economical choice to avoid steam leaks and cylinder wear. The Invar alloy is not intrinsically expensive; only low demand makes the price high. An Invar piston can be cast and machined, just like an aluminum
261:
It abandons the recompression of exhaust steam when approaching TDC. This is an advantage of the Stumpf uniflow engine. The authors here appear not to appreciate the thermodynamics of either engine.
167: 126: 322:
as it appears to be reporting on a US patent, as indicated by the talk-space item on the main page. It certainly needs tagging for improvement, but not in my view deletion.
285: 99: 94: 103: 300: 86: 133: 238:
Are there any references here, especially independent ones, that discuss the AUSE engine in particular, as opposed to being about uniflow engines in general?
274:
I'm in no rush to be a deletionist, but if this appeared at AfD, I'd have no basis for arguing to keep it. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:36, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
484:
The question of whether it works or not is interesting, but simply irrelevant to WP. This isn't an academic journal, it doesn't care. You can describe a
258:
It doesn't use a condenser on the exhaust, because it doesn't need one. (I don't believe the authors understand why this isn't an advantage)
188: 155: 478: 266:
Although it's not a key part of the design, the piston is made of Invar. At this point I stop believing its technical credibility.
545: 531: 508: 455: 383: 354: 331: 307: 292: 218: 149: 68: 17: 145: 374:
don't show anything about notability; for that we need something in books and refereed papers, there's none of that here.
90: 195: 82: 74: 564: 245:
It is a novel engine. It is a new invention by one particular team. If it isn't, then it belongs in the existing
40: 461:
This wiki article will inevitably be deleted because it fails the basic tests of a wiki article – in particular
527: 327: 161: 504: 350: 255:
It has a void within the piston, controlled by a sprung bash valve. (I don't believe the benefit of this)
560: 379: 304: 289: 214: 36: 451: 447: 246: 523: 181: 418:
The uniflow engine actually does use a condenser on the exhaust. However, the condenser is not a
323: 499:
As to the engine details, then I remain unconvinced, but that's too much detail for the moment.
500: 485: 366: 346: 206: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
559:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
375: 210: 542: 59: 519: 391:
Note from author: Below are responses to the above comments on this uniflow engine.
53: 474: 466: 319: 120: 493: 470: 462: 52:. Consensus and strength of argument indicate that this invention doesn't meet 397: 522:. Requires multiple reliable independent sources that discuss the topic. -- 541:- Patents and self-published sources do not establish notability. ~ 241:
So far I'm seeing a novel engine put forward as a notable subject:
434: 553:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
481:, as something to work on with a view to obtaining such sources. 252:
It uses a single electromechanically-actuated inlet valve.
477:. I would suggest saving a draft of this in userspace at 116: 112: 108: 180: 490:
provided that some other source has also discussed it
446:
I hope the editors will not delete this article. --
422:
condenser, which is more expensive and complicated.
43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 567:). No further edits should be made to this page. 340:Where's the patent? I can't see one related to 286:list of Technology-related deletion discussions 479:User:Guy Immega/Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine 194: 8: 318:-- This may be a bad article, but it is not 301:list of History-related deletion discussions 299:Note: This debate has been included in the 284:Note: This debate has been included in the 231:My past talk comments, and similar concerns: 298: 283: 223: 369:. Patents are not reliable sources for 226: 413:is much less that standard valve gear. 7: 24: 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 546:23:59, 30 November 2013 (UTC) 532:04:40, 30 November 2013 (UTC) 509:11:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC) 492:, water-fuelled snake oil is 456:23:26, 25 November 2013 (UTC) 384:23:18, 24 November 2013 (UTC) 355:21:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC) 332:21:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC) 308:15:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC) 293:15:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC) 219:13:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC) 83:Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine 75:Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine 69:18:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC) 584: 556:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 247:uniflow steam engine 48:The result was 486:water-fuelled car 310: 295: 279: 278: 67: 575: 558: 305:Northamerica1000 290:Northamerica1000 224: 199: 198: 184: 136: 124: 106: 66: 64: 57: 34: 583: 582: 578: 577: 576: 574: 573: 572: 571: 565:deletion review 554: 280: 232: 141: 132: 97: 81: 78: 60: 58: 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 581: 579: 570: 569: 549: 548: 535: 534: 524:Green Cardamom 512: 511: 497: 496:per WP policy. 482: 440: 439: 430: 429: 424: 423: 415: 414: 409: 408: 403: 402: 389: 388: 387: 386: 360: 359: 358: 357: 335: 334: 312: 311: 296: 277: 276: 268: 267: 263: 262: 259: 256: 253: 250: 234: 233: 227: 222: 209:of the topic. 202: 201: 138: 77: 72: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 580: 568: 566: 562: 557: 551: 550: 547: 544: 540: 537: 536: 533: 529: 525: 521: 517: 514: 513: 510: 506: 502: 498: 495: 491: 487: 483: 480: 476: 472: 468: 464: 460: 459: 458: 457: 453: 449: 444: 436: 432: 431: 426: 425: 421: 417: 416: 411: 410: 405: 404: 399: 394: 393: 392: 385: 381: 377: 372: 368: 364: 363: 362: 361: 356: 352: 348: 343: 339: 338: 337: 336: 333: 329: 325: 324:Peterkingiron 321: 317: 314: 313: 309: 306: 302: 297: 294: 291: 287: 282: 281: 275: 272: 265: 264: 260: 257: 254: 251: 248: 244: 243: 242: 239: 236: 235: 230: 225: 221: 220: 216: 212: 208: 197: 193: 190: 187: 183: 179: 175: 172: 169: 166: 163: 160: 157: 154: 151: 147: 144: 143:Find sources: 139: 135: 131: 128: 122: 118: 114: 110: 105: 101: 96: 92: 88: 84: 80: 79: 76: 73: 71: 70: 65: 63: 55: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 555: 552: 538: 515: 501:Andy Dingley 489: 445: 441: 419: 390: 370: 347:Andy Dingley 341: 315: 273: 269: 240: 237: 228: 203: 191: 185: 177: 170: 164: 158: 152: 142: 129: 61: 49: 47: 31: 28: 376:GliderMaven 211:GliderMaven 168:free images 494:WP:Notable 488:here and, 448:Guy Immega 398:ruby laser 371:notability 367:WP:PATENTS 207:notability 62:Sandstein 561:talk page 316:Weak keep 37:talk page 563:or in a 365:No, see 249:article. 127:View log 39:or in a 438:piston. 229:Comment 174:WP refs 162:scholar 100:protect 95:history 539:Delete 520:WP:GNG 518:fails 516:Delete 420:vacuum 146:Google 104:delete 54:WP:GNG 50:delete 475:WP:RS 467:WP:RS 435:Invar 407:etc). 320:WP:OR 189:JSTOR 150:books 134:Stats 121:views 113:watch 109:links 16:< 543:KvnG 528:talk 505:talk 473:and 471:WP:N 465:and 463:WP:N 452:talk 380:talk 351:talk 345:do. 342:this 328:talk 215:talk 182:FENS 156:news 117:logs 91:talk 87:edit 433:An 196:TWL 125:– ( 530:) 507:) 454:) 382:) 353:) 330:) 303:. 288:. 217:) 176:) 119:| 115:| 111:| 107:| 102:| 98:| 93:| 89:| 56:. 526:( 503:( 450:( 378:( 349:( 326:( 213:( 200:) 192:· 186:· 178:· 171:· 165:· 159:· 153:· 148:( 140:( 137:) 130:· 123:) 85:(

Index

Knowledge:Articles for deletion
talk page
deletion review
WP:GNG
 Sandstein 
18:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine
Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Stats
Google
books
news
scholar
free images
WP refs
FENS
JSTOR
TWL
notability
GliderMaven

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.