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I've added a bit to the page. The references: Franklin 1885, Terry 1892, Smith and Cushing 1885, Dooley 1900, and Clute 1993 are all non-genealogical, independent sources which discuss Bidwell for multiple paragraphs. I only can see the first page of Clute 1993 at proQuest, and suppose that the later
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It is not an essay and GNG does not have a standard of scholarship.  An eight-year old tag without any discussion on the talk page would be a reason to contact the person who added the tag, who is still active on Knowledge.  Nor has the nomination discussed the red links that would be created by the
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just to be clear, there are now a number of sources which are independent of the subject and of the museum dedicated in part to the subject which cover the source in depth included in the article, and thus I believe the article passes GNG. Many of these sources have been added since people added
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Great job with the research, thanks for bringing these books back. However, would I be correct in ascertaining that the mentions of Bidwell within those books are very short? Despite being mentioned in several sources, which proves he did exist, I worry that there isn't enough
364:, 2012, "Adonijah Bidwell (1716–1784), Township No. 1's first settled minister, in 1750 was assigned a lot on which to build a home in the original town center, on the Great Road. Stone ruins not far from the present dwelling were probably his first, ..." 369:
The arguments that "somebody should improve the writing", "somebody should improve the level of scholarship", and "somebody should do something about the notability tag"; are arguments for someone else to improve the encyclopedia.  AfD is not cleanup.
357:, 1906, "Adonijah Bidwell, while a resident of Stockbridge, served as one of the early treasurers of Berkshire county and also as attorney-general of Massachusetts. Adonijah Bidwell (2) had a son, Barnabas Bidwell, who also followed agricultural ..." 349:
1885, "...Adonijah Bidwell, who was the first pastor of the Congregational church, the first church established in Tyringham, now Monterey. Rev. Adonijah Bidwell was of English stock and his heirs have the family genealogy from King Egbert the
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I am not sure if I do. I've been too busy to get to this, but I still think the subject is suitable for an article. If the article hasn't been deleted by next week, I plan to expand it a bit, and will ping around then and see if I can meet
215:- a very interesting story glancing through the articles, but there isn't enough scholarship to pass GNG, based on my google searching. Maybe someday a page for the Bidwell family at large would warrant a mention of his name. 166: 405:(plenty of old-timey Americans were old British nobles and preached from pulpits, but I wouldn't argue all are notable by default). I still think a page on the Bidwell family might not have the same issues. 530: 119: 160: 250: 197:
I could not verify notability. Reads like an essay done by a descendant with sources to match. Has been tagged for notability for over 8 years.
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pages of that source may include more details (if anyone can access the full thing, I am curious). I do not find a published version of
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discussion, which is WP:BEFORE B5.  WP:BEFORE C1 states, "If the article can be fixed through
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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as not independently notable and what's here is unconvincing.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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not the level of scholarship to justify having this article.
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