392:. The father has 32 children including Ahmed fortunately Ahmed became well known then the athers. Family name Artan was a Somali ruler. He led the Ali Saleebaan Sultanate during its Golden Age in the mid-19th to early 20th centuries. Along with Sultan Yusuf Ali Kenadid of the Sultanate of Hobyo and Sultan Mohamoud Ali Shire of the Warsangali Sultanate, Beeldaaje Artan was one of the forth prominent rulers of present-day Somalia at the turn of the 20th century.people call him Ahmed Haaji Bakiin, Ahmed Haaji Ibrahim Artan Beeldaaje , or (Ahmed Ibrahim Artan wich is his birth name)
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with the article have yet to be addressed. As for his other name, Ahmed Haaji Bakiin, I'm not seeing much on Google other than blogs, Facebook, Google+, or things that the subject wrote himself – nothing that I'd use as a reliable source. If he's well-known, I would expect there to be more about him (written by someone else) online. --
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articles need to have sources other than the subjects own works. Beyond that being "an advisor" to the
President of Somalia (which one is unclear) sounds notable on first glance, but without further explanation could mean anything. Presidents can have a whole lot of people giving them advice, and not
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It is not my intent to attack anyone. I do want to clarify that I did not make the earlier nomination for deletion, and that I made one (not all) of the three speedy deletions. I'm not out to attack anyone or anything. My concern is that I've seen this content repeatedly re-created, while the issues
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I'm more concerned that four of the five sources were written by the subject himself, as these would presumably establish his notability. I'm not seeing these other sources, at least not via the above "find sources" links. To put it another way, I'm unable to verify this or previous iterations of
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Also I'm still working on that article I don't have all his life history but I'm searching a lot more about his life history positions that he held and book that he wrote so I need more chance to complete all the resource. In election time probably I'll get more resource written by
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have requested to delete that article before , and it seems he's personal attack. Gyrofrong I let you know that person from well known family and he's well known polition person who most of the people know him. We need his article to stay , and we need you to get away
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I understand, but the link doesn't say anything about that. We can cite that link to say he was an adviser (which it specifies), but not for whom (because it doesn't specify). We would need another source about him advising
Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed. --
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will talk about his early life and positions that he held during that time. please I need more chance promise I'll write more about his life and I will bring more resource.Please I need you guys to remove deletion tag on the article. hopeful Thanks
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there a lot of reliable source that written by Somali language. There millions of articles which has source written by native languages such as Arabic , Amharic and hebrew itc So that person is Somali.
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