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activity that spanned years. For me that's enough to suggest more time is needed to develop this other significant activity of his and to leave this as a stub until it can develop; that and his activity with the Rome
Statute was connected to his activity in the news event. I also believe, he played a major role in that news event (see above for the 1E qualification). Moreover, the Skype scandal is still currently developing with the arrest of editor
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further human rights work. Of course, he did play a major role in the one event where there are the most
Internet hits in searches, and his role is in fact well documented in Bangladesh's Skype scandal. His conversations with Justice Huq made international news, and to give you an idea of how important this was in Bangladesh: one journalist wrote that it has been likened to the British
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claim. Yes, he has known the resigned judge Huq for over 25 years, but that's trivia. Ziauddin was the other caller of the inappropriate contact. Ziauddin had written charges for the court and was talking and giving advice to the judge. Moreover, there wouldn't have even been a justifiable war crimes
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Ziauddin's work for Bangladesh to create a structure for its membership in the international court system. This adds much needed context to the Skype
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I assume you have made a WP:GoodFaith misconstrual of my words. The end result that
Bangladesh was an important signer and ratifier of the declaration is the same no matter whether you see it in the long-term of short-term. And to note, I don't see one delete vote that actually explains how he could
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since I frequently worry about cultural bias at
Knowledge (XXG). If it's not a major event in the United States, Canada, the UK or Australia, it often doesn't get the attention it deserves here. This is an encyclopedia for the entire world. This gentleman is at the epicenter of one noteworthy event
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to my reason. Out that out of the 22 current references at this moment, 12 of them have nothing to do with the Skype scandal that he was involved with. Those references span over a decade. Much of his work prior to this time occurred in an era when online newspapers were not as vibrant as they are
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is that you can ONLY find sources about the ONE event, but that's not the case for
Ziauddin as he was also active, notable in fact, in the Asian ratification of the Rome Treaty. To treat him as 1E, you would have to completely write off the sources about his efforts on behalf of the treaty and
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Bengali-language source clearly summarizes Ziauddin's involvement in the Rome Statute 1998, the lobbying of Asian countries, and Bangladesh's government to ratify. Is it perfect? No -- and I think we actually all agree on that. The other sources provide relevant sourcing for a low-profile
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Hmm, some selective quoting there, ONEEVENT "When the role played by an individual in the event is less significant, an independent article may not be needed, and a redirect is appropriate." Apart from this, what is he known for? And please do not say "his advocacy of the Rome
Statute of the
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One more point: right now this is a stub article. How many stubs have almost 30 cites? Still it's important to keep this in mind because it means the community doesn't think the article is of the quality needed. If you look at other players in this
Bangladeshi story, such as
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Everybody can read the whole policy of ONEEVENT and should. Experienced
Wikipedians know it's not one way or the other. Policy asks us to make a decision about whether the person (to put it in cinematic terms) was an extra/bit character part or a supporting character in the
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today in Bangladesh. There are, however, some of his writings from the late 1990s that were found in better databases than Google and listed. And I'm not even counting the major world media that covered the scandal when it broke December 2012, like The Economist.
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International Criminal Court" as the source for that failed verification, all it says is he lobbied to a few people about it. The source also mentions three other people who did the same. It does not support the current statement that he is "known for it".
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