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568:. The idea that many dōjinshi were "Yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi" (having "No climax, no point, no meaning") was frequently discussed among community members, but this group discussion is the first known usage of the acronym "Yaoi". After her professional debut, Hatsu was picked up Junya Yamamoto, the editor in chief of
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