169:"Kanun" or "traditional family-based clans". They commit crimes because of the poor financial situation in Albania and Kosovo. It does NOT have a "mafia" tradition like Italy. Implying that is ridiculous. Also, the original source is NOT the book "Gangs: A Journey into the heart of the British Underworld", as referenced, but the Serbian website www.serbianna.com, which has for a long time been spreading propaganda. I would appreciate if someone objective would take a look at the site and see for himself.
163:-Some information is flat out wrong. For example: The "Balkan Route" has NEVER accounted for 25-40% of the heroin smuggled into the US. That is not just a blatant lie and mis- interpretation, but also falsely implies that Albanians have been responsible for smuggling it, when in fact, especially at that time, the "Balkan Route" was mainly controlled by Serbian and Bulgarian groups.
154:-If people want to write artcles about Albanian crimes, OK (do it in individual pages), but dont compile decades of individual, unconnected crimes in one article, to form a false image of an "Albanian Mafia". That is defamation. You can see that some of the main sources of this article are up to 25 years old, which further proves my point.
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