468:'s father, then he is not going to get more articles about himself than Mark Twain's father, i.e. none at all. I am saying this as someone who has read many of the child's mother's letters and loves the unique insights she gave into the French court to which she was displaced from the little German residence town in which I studied. We are writing an encyclopedia, not collecting rare stamps.
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to article about the father. Knowledge (XXG) does have somewhat of a snobbish distinction between the children of royalty and those of mere mortals, but there's a limit to what one can say about a 3 year old child who, unfortunately, died in childhood. The article has nothing to say, and fills up
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English/British, Spanish, Russian, Austrian royals and various other nobles who died yet have they still have articles. He may not have lived long but surely it would look ridiculous to merge him into his fathers article (or mothers)!? I am
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A little boy who died before his third birthday. Not independently notable. No need for an article that goes into excessive detail about his "titles and styles" etc. He can simply be mentioned in his father's and/or mother's article -- in his own section if we want to be very generous.
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If it turns out that this child, who died before he ever got the chance to do something interesting or become influential, or pursue any of the other ways of obtaining notability, was not any more notable than
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