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for Idol. Or the many many previous AfDs on this matter. American Idol is such a big show in the United States (it's the #1 program by several ratings points year after year) and there has been such success to come out of the show (38 charted artists in 7 seasons according to
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to see what I mean. And that's not even an all inclusive list. This really is an "every year" issue and every year the articles are kept. The only exceptions have been articles created before the person has been a finalist
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