314:: Notability is beyond proof if one can read the local news in Pakistan. I have also read the comments of someone on the talk page. Editors pointed out the attention and involvement of concerned community before a neutral action. For your info and knowledge your are invited to watch shia islam portal and its section "in the news" he was accompanied with his father in the British Parliament for mourning sitting.
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sources, in order to prevent fabrications from being formed here. In other words: a short mention somewhere in a news article's margin is not significant; a forum or blog where anyone can post anything, without people correcting your mistakes, is not reliable; Ali's personal website and facebook page
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for more representation from Asian countries. Deletion of pages is cause of set back to the campaign. The page has no harmful content to our WP. You will notice that many a websites have cited the WP as their source, so we should pride of our WP which is also serving as source for info in respect
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The nominator said it all: this isn't a notable person. The article's citation method is clearly a grasp for straws as many of the citations simply don't support the cited material, as has already been noted by other editors. The only clear source we have is the one from Amazon, which isn't RS. The
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Not only is Nadeem Sarwar the king of the noha/marsia industry, he is also the most successful artist of the larger music industry as he sells 200,000-300,000 CDs a year and all of them get sold within the span of two days. This is despite the presence of YouTube and downloadable music; no artists
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Your disclosure for your belonging to Shia community and your tag for deletion of page on account of notability of "Ali
Shanawar" is a question on your knowledge. Instead of improving the page, you have tagged it for deletion. This is a conflict between some schools of this community and most of
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Your childish finding of my being a fan of him is denied. You were unable to improve the page thus you decided to tag it for deletion. This is biased action you have done. Thus deletion proposal appears personal and not for goodwill of EN:WP.
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