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1309:. I know that that article has its own problems, but since it is already there, the fact that some people have chosen to use a word in another language ("apartheid") to refer to a related concept, does not merit a separate article with that word in the title. And I know the argument will be that the resulting article would be too long, but this article really does not need to be as long as it is anyway. We do not need to be citing every article in every little magazine, or every master's thesis, that refers to the issue. I think a lot of the sources are in there solely due to the controversy over the article's existence, to "make weight" for keeping it as a separate article. 2138:). I suspect that there are enough scholarly, well referenced and peer-reviewed articles from professional historians and sociologists to provide an account of this topic. Maybe near the bottom of the article there could be one small paragraph for "Media coverage" and a very selective account of commentary from blogs, reporters and media pundits could be restricted to that paragraph. -- 1491:. Whether or not the article is NPOV in its current state is a consideration for cleanup tagging, not deletion. We don't delete articles for being poor quality, we delete articles because the topic they are about don't deserve an article. In this case, the allegations are there, they have been extensively referenced proving that the 2103:"XfD(deletion) processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. Using XfD as a "protest strategy" in an editorial or NPOV debate is generally an abuse of process and the article will usually be speedy kept." 1879:- definitely a notable POV, with 80,000 Google hits and numerous scholarly and academic sources referring to the concept. Article is also well referenced. No reason at all for deletion as far as I can see. Might possibly be an argument though for changing the title or broadening the subject matter, but that's another issue. 1819:
nom. It is a meme which passes notability. People will certainly be looking for information about it. The forced renaming was a silly abrogation of Knowledge (XXG)'s naming conventions fueled by POV... this nom strays over from there into attempting to enshrine POV bias as a Knowledge (XXG) standard. --
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The article is heavily referenced... making the claims of 'original research' and 'unverifiability' seem nonsensical. NPOV is often a matter of perspective, but frankly irrelevant to a deletion debate. If it isn't neutral we change the wording, not delete it. See NO basis whatsoever for this deletion
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Is there? All the serious stuff I've seen has been about the way the term is used, or else discussing discrimination in general. I've not seen a single, serious academic source (i.e. a scholar who is employed in a relevant field in a university) argue that there's such a thing as "Israeli apartheid."
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If you talk about the term perse, yes you are correct. However, scholars do make comparisons between South Africa and Israel, and their conclusions are straightforward. On the title of the article, the current is POV, as it denies the scholary studies, but for the rest, I do not care abut the exact
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Whilst you probably can find allegations of any position, this allegation seems to have come up a lot, and been made by many notable people and organisations (and more have either referred to or denied it). In my opinion, it's significant enough, verifiable enough, and messy enough that we probably
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Drawing on a range of historical and sociological evidence, it shows that this claim (or accusation) is substantially justified in two senses. Firstly, Israeli Zionism is, in many areas, morally bad in the same way as apartheid; secondly, where it is different from apartheid in character, it is in
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that argument, as some here argue, it hardly seems encyclopedic. If we have to have articles about every instance an epithet is used on someone in a new way (Ann Coulter's "church of liberalism" or 9/11 victims as "little Eichmann's" in the very recent past come to mind) wikipedia is going to seem
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As Sue-Laine eloquently said, this article has morphed and been changed to continue its survival so many times, that to me it seems apparent that its goal is more to disparage Israel than to inform as to facts.We now have an article for human rights issues, anything that is a valid issue should be
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Yes, let's look at those sources. They seem to level the "apartheid" charge not only at Israel's treatment of the population of the West Bank and Gaza, but at "Zionism" as a whole -- in other words, at the belief that there should be a State of Israel as a Jewish state. That being the case, the
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I voted keep on the first one. The result on the second one was speedy keep. However, I would much appreciate any contact being via my talkpage. I believe in a transparent wikipedia. E-mailing me about a vote on a highly charged and controversial subject gives the appearance of vote stacking and
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because it cannot be made NPOV like most "allegations" type articles: the selection of whose allegations of what about whom is inherently POV. If someone called Clinton a "pinko", or does the mere existence of the urban myth of how Clinton supposedly sought Soviet citizenship during his visit to
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Without making a judgment on the worth of the article in question, Haham hanuka's nomination is a clear abuse of process. I note also that Haham hanuka has just recently been blocked for a week for another abuse of process on AfD and has a long history of blocks for 3RR and revert warring (see
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OR and POV magnet. The article is essentially about comparing the Israeli-Arab relations with South African aparthed. The comparisons are OR. Let's put out verified sourced statements about what exactly the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians and let the reader decide whether or not to draw
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of course we should keep it. As previously discussed, the term is in wide use, there are weighty arguments supporting the usage, there are scholarly works using the term. And unfortunately, the phenomenon also exists. If I thought you could get rid of something by deleting the Knowledge (XXG)
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Furthermore, much as we have a well-meaning wish to help the reader understand whether there is validity to allegations of Israeli apartheid, it's not something that can really be covered in an encyclopedic fashion because the term "apartheid" in modern, colloquial discourse has no concrete
448:, not to remove the article. The allegation of "Israeli apartheid" has been made in various sources over a period of several years; there is no reason why Knowledge (XXG) should not document this usage (along with the debates surrounding the term), and every reason why we should. 1265:), that none of these sources actually allege that Israel practices apartheid. What these sources do is compare Israel's practices to apartheid. Nuanced comparison is what scholars do. Reducing a complex situation into a slogan, like "Israeli apartheid," is what activists do. 247:. Although the article is well written and meticulously referenced, cited and sourced, I still think the article is inherently POV. One can find sources for people making allegations of virtually ANY position you can dream of, but does that mean they all deserve articles? 391:
isn't about Islamofascism. It's about the term, how it was created, how it's used. This article is just a big rant on allegations of Israeli Apartheid and how the author(s) beleive that it's true. It's not encyclopedic. It's not NPOV at all. It doesn't belong here.
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and improve. There is a very large published literature on this topic. Under such conditions, I think it is wise for the Knowledge (XXG) community to be very selective and make an organized effort to identify and cite mostly peer-reviewed scholarly articles (see:
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Israeli Zionism resembles apartheid in a range of ways recognizable to specialists in comparative race relations, and indeed scholars have done interesting historical-sociological work on the similarities and differences between them (e.g. Greenberg 1980, Akenson
333:- allegations of Israel human rights violations do merit articles (though one can always wonder the paucity of such articles about other states and regimes who do much worse), but the term "apartheid" is a rhetorical device that distracts from the real issue. -- 1599:), precisely so that it could get a Speedy Keep designation. It lasted all of 34 minutes. This is in fact only the second AfD. The article has had a great deal of time to mature since the first AfD, but instead of getting better, it's only gotten worse. -- 122: 1160:
of the sources you cite (and you know this already) allege that there is such a thing as "Israeli apartheid," as I said above. That is the problem with this article. Not one academic source (that I am aware of) says there is actually such a thing.
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The article is about an (alleged) phenomenon and controversial subject that needs to be treated evenhandedly without censorship based on politics. Any "propaganda" needs to be countered with verifiable information that tells the other side of the
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AfD debate. It is a very big problem with WP that people create articles that are inherently POV and fob off all critcs with an arrogant "So fix it...". The burden of justifying controversial articles must lie on those who made them.
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Those who use the term "Apartheid" in reference to Israeli policies are probably POV, but pointing out that those allegations exist, and explaining their point of view from a neutral point of view, is bonafide.
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To apply the term "Apartheid" to Israel's policies, which is totally false, is a way to delegitimate Israel, with the hope that it will end the same way the Apartheid regime in SA ended. Thats why.
1200:, article on the man who wrote "Israel: An Apartheid State". Based on the reasons being given I suspect that many of the people voting here have not actually read the article they want to delete. 116: 1792:
I was asked via E-mail to take a look at this. As I recall, I voted delete in the last one. Perhpas I was wrong. As the result of the last one was speedy keep, I see no need for this AfD at all.
1903:. POV is not grounds for deletion. POV is correctable through judicious editing and collaboration-- the hallmark of Knowledge (XXG) at its best. As to purported inaccuracy, the benchmark is 662:
Per 84.238.25.152's reasoning, I think it is silly for such allegations to have its own article. However, I think Szvest is correct that it belongs on Knowledge (XXG). Just like various
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Seems well written and well sourced, referencing internationally renowned news sources. The potential to offend is not grounds for deletion, nor does it make an article unencyclopedic.
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we do not need articles based on an allegation or based on a viewpoint. Issues related to Israeli internal policy, society, culture, etc, can be explored in the related articles.
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page I don't see why we can't have this well-documented article. Plus the section on counter-arguments is useful and constructive for those wanting to counter such claims. —
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and not whether or not one agrees with the information presented. The article is large enough to stand on its own and would overly expand other articles. Does not violate
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Unsavoury subject, but a very real political discussion (or propaganda battle, if you prefer) of which neutral coverage is certaily encyclopedic. Do not merge into
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exists, but if we restricted the article to that definition it would practically disappear.) You can have a coherent, NPOV article about whether Israel practices
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Where else but Knowledge (XXG) am I supposed to go for a sourced NPOV article of what the (to me) bizzare notion of "Israeli apartheid" is supposed to be about?
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The article is not in arbitration. The conduct of editors is in arbitration. ArbCom does not address content disputes (or isn't supposed to, anyway).
135:- We've just changed the title of the article from "Israeli Apartheid" to "Allegations of Israeli Apartheid". Indeed, it's very encyclopaedic. It may 800:
less like an encyclopedia and more like a collection of badly written flamewars about topics that are ultimately going to be completely irrelevant.
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I agree that it would be better to retitle the article as "Israeli apartheid" and provide a neutral investigation of the term's historical usage.
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AKENSON, DONALD HARMAN 1992 God’s Peoples: Covenant and Land in South Africa, Israel, and Ulster, Ithaca and London: Cornell University Press
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GREENBERG, STANLEY 1980 Race and State in Capitalist Development: South Africa in Comparative Perspective, Johannesburg: Ravan Press
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Israeli apartheid is verifiable and notable whether or not it actually exists, so obviously keep. Don't like the way it's written?
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How many times do we have to do this dance? "Israeli Aparthied" would obviously be more NPOV a title as that is the exact claim...
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Glaser, D. J. 2003. Zionism and Apartheid: a moral comparison. Ethnic and Racial Studies 26:403-421. (pdf available on request)
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of course. The original title was better; but this is silly politicing that just repeats the prior AfD with no new reason.
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of Israeli apartheid". The text of the article proves that such allegations are a reality and asserts their notability. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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But there doesn't have to be a separate article about it, nor one that has the word "apartheid" in the title.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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some respects anyway as bad – that is, the difference is not invariably morally favourable to Israeli Zionism.
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Much of the article now consists of quotes from people who do not say Israel practices apartheid, but instead
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Requests for arbitration/Israeli apartheid/Proposed decision#Meanwhile in the real world
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of recent literature on the subject from credible, academic sources -- some of it dating back twenty years.
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01:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Changed my vote, to mush scholary information to merge with other article. --
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Apartheid goes way further than racism, but merging this article with that article and renaming that to
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into another article, per my comments scattered through the many archived talk pages for this article.
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it has no basis here, it is just pushing propaganda, and does not show an accurate history. Delete.
925:, article has improved since I proposed it for deletion a few months ago and the title is now NPOV. 2167: 2074: 1624: 1583: 982: 883: 741: 1844: 1582:. This is the third AfD on this, anyone want to start taking bets on when the fourth will be? -- 580:
consider them to be examples of apartheid? What is the 2005 Gaza withdrawal doing in this article?
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This article has always suffered from lack of a coherent reason to exist and probably always will.
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since it survived a prior AfD — I'm no fan of this sort of propaganda, but as long as we have a
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Recently many facts have been added that sound scary in the context of this article, but does
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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What does this has to do w/ the existance right of Israel? Could you develop your idea? --
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I do not agree with your assessment, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. --
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This is the second AfD, and it wasn't deleted last time. Plus, it's in arbitration. --
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Could one of the "keep" voters please explain, succinctly, what this article is about?
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current practices to apartheid or say that Israel might some day practice apartheid.
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not a paper encyclopedia and can thus accommodate items that would not fit in one.
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the argument that Israel is an "apartheid state" rather than an article trying to
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Under its original title it was defended as being an article about the political
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The second nomination was a purposeful disruption by a strawman sockpuppet (see
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If the current article seems to be infected with POV, the proper recourse is to
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propaganda. Pertinent details on these allegations are already in the article
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In which case the correct course of action would be merging, not deleting. --
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Allegations of Palestinian babies being used in traditional Jewish cat food
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Sometimes I think all Israel related articles are one, big POV fork...
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deleting articles on genuine contraversial issues is not the WP way --
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Thanks for the info. I thought Bots are diff than regular users ;) --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Israeli apartheid (phrase)
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Delete - Stinks of POV, useless, non encyclopedic, propagadna...
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Talk:Israeli_apartheid/RS#Reliable_sources:_scholary_articles
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The allegations have been made by reputable notable people.
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Could you be more precise? I may understand that you mean
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as per Carl and strong suspicion of bad faith AfD nom. --
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POV title, and it only gets worse. Someone needs to read
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Hi, this was your first edit. Did you forget to log in?
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This entry should be kept and should be developed...
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WP doesn't need this article any more than it needs
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Delete, and merge any true human rights issues into
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(Yes, a definition of 880:Allegations of Muhammad's child molestation 1746:- those who vote to keep are violating of 1379:comparisons to South African apartheid. - 476:Just a little too much of a POV powder keg 1305:"merge" (if any) probably should be into 1148:Just to give three of the sources... -- 66:The nomination was also misformatted by 318:Allegations of of Ehud Olmert being gay 1975:Noon, you mean the regime and not the 754:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg 257:ought to dedicate an article to it. - 77:is likely to be reached at this stage. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 1430:. As legitimate and encyclopedic as 507:Way too much POV to ever be NPOV. -- 911:der jossi. This is an attack page. 1046:per Avi and/or Kim van der Linde. 876:Allegations of Clinton's communism 367:Indeed, nobody talks about adding 52:The entry is currently subject to 24: 1072:Apartheid_outside_of_South_Africa 147:but i am sorry to say that it is 2136:Knowledge (XXG):Reliable sources 2099:WP:DEL#Abuse of deletion process 1295:title, see my comment above. -- 93:Allegations of Israeli apartheid 1521:phrase. I also heard it in the 787:if this is actually an article 371:in front of Islamofascism. -- 219:. 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El_C
21:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Allegations of Israeli apartheid
Haham hanuka
08:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Israeli apartheid (phrase)
Knowledge (XXG):Articles_for_deletion/Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid_(second_nomination)
Szvest
11:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

incomplete
DumbBOT
11:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Szvest
11:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Medico80
11:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG) is not censored
IslaySolomon
13:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
BoojiBoy
13:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
wikipediatrix
14:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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