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The guy is in several best-selling novels. A non-notable character wouldn't move from being an enemy in someone elses' books to getting his own books, would he? If the article is flawed, fix it, don't delete it. It's in-universe? Then re-write it, don't nominate for deletion. That's stupid.
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No one's saying the comment was necessarily relevant to the specific question under discussion here; that's why it was labeled "Comment" instead of with "keep" or "delete".
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