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707:'s substantive sentence says: "Articles about notable people that mention their family members in passing do not, in themselves, show that a family member is notable." There are twelve newspaper articles cited as sources here that are about Arthur IV and not about his father. The point here is that Arthur IV was, for a brief few years, a celebrity in his own right - until he had the good taste and wisdom to dodge that particular fate. 388:
Fair but your logic can be turned on its head - what makes Arthur MacArthur (aka David Jordan) notable is his parentage. Arthur MacArthur, Prince Charles and the more recent heirs to the British throne are about the only people who have been the covers of Life Magazine in early childhood. Arthur
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says ... The policy says, in a nutshell, that "Family members of celebrities also must meet Knowledge's notability criteria on their own merits – the fact that they have famous relatives is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article." Arthur IV clearly meets the notability
334:. Please look at the prior AfD discussion, which closed with no consensus but the discussion identified more than enough additional secondary sources to demonstrate notability. "Notability isn't inherited" is a bit trite as a reason for deletion since that logic would clearly delete 352:
I normally regard a previous AfD as conclusive, and this is the first time I've created a re-nomination. Normally a result of "no consensus" means that the article should be kept, but in this case it was followed by being turned into a redirect. Now, in the case of the like of
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this does not apply to situations where the fact of having a relationship to another person inherently defines a public position that is notable in its own right, such as a national First Lady or membership of a Royal
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pointed out in the last AfD that MacArthur's "chosen obscurity can still be respected". His assumed name shows up in at least one of the cited sources. If anyone's concerned about respecting privacy pursuant to
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MacArthur continues to attract the world's interest, despite his best efforts to hide from it. Also, nothing's changed that justifies a reconsideration of the previous AfD.
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I don't think privacy is a concern in this case. Since family affiliations alone are not enough to make someone notable per WP:NOTINHERITED, he fails
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which requires substantial coverage from multiple independent secondary sources. Seven of the cited sources are largely or entirely about him.
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Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED, he must be notable on his own terms without family affiliations to meet notability criteria for persons. See
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He's basically known for one thing: being Douglas MacArthur's son. Not enough by itself for a separate article. See WP:BLPFAMILY.
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He appears to meet the GNG with solid references covering many years of his life, not just his birth to a notable person. See
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A BLP about someone famous only for being the son of his famous father. Was involved in one significant historical event,
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This is not the case here, so his article has to stand on his own notability. And it seems to be a case of
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per nom. All the childhood stuff is pretty trivial, and he's studiously avoided the spotlight ever since.
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we might consider adding warnings, perhaps on the talk page, not to disclose the assumed identity.
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Notability isn't inherited. Mention of the son in the main MacArthur article should be enough.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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All the important things about this man can be covered in the article on his father.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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