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Fair but your logic can be turned on its head - what makes Arthur MacArthur (aka David Jordan) notable is his parentage. Arthur MacArthur, Prince
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I normally regard a previous AfD as conclusive, and this is the first time I've created a re-nomination. Normally a result of "no consensus" means that the article should be kept, but in this case it was followed by being turned into a redirect. Now, in the case of the like of
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