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than your interest in this content but your vehemance in defending your delete position speaks for itself. If I have time I'll look to variations on her name to find possible sourcing but no, it's not my job to fix the article. Thank you however for your keen interest in discussing the merits of my opinion.
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You are mistaken. The closer should add weight to !votes per our guidelines and nothing states I have to prove anything to express my opinions. With such logic the burden would be on you to prove that no sources exist which is illogical and certainly untrue. I feel you're motivated by other issues
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I am assuming good faith, but, the motivation appears to be to retaliate against me for voting against Drawn in the bilateral articles. He is following my edits and bringing multiples articles to AFD that I have worked on or created.
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a bit too small to pull me into the "keep" camp, but I would be perfectly happy with a keep and would ask the closing admin not to count my vote as being on the "delete" side--if this makes sense. :)
233:. I don't see how notability here is achieved by way of a rather passing mention and a couple of obituaries. A list of important church members in the main article would be enough, in my opinion. 533:
Yes the article is brief as is, but like the lesser sovereigns of a notable dynasty, Arlene is noteworthy. There is more to tell about her. Sourcing more is difficult, but we'll find more.
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Multiple obituaries about the subject are just a few of the reliable and verifiable sources included in the article that establish her independent notability separate and apart from the
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After reading Uncle G's comment (below) and a brief chat with Alansohn I am more cognizant of the relevance of obituaries. I do feel that 273 words is a bit too brief and the
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If you have sources to determine notablity, please provide them, or your !vote should be disregarded. Others have been unable to find them so please share!
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is 273 words long, and is directly about this specific person, not a tangential mention in the context of some other subject as you claim it to be.
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also establishes the significance/importance of the subject. I also trust the judgment of the creator and primary author of this article.
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itself, to show that you have put deletion policy into action, which means looking for sources yourself. Where did you look?
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Trivial mentions in obituaries and even one's own obituary are not sufficient to establish notability. Do you have any
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The burden is on those saying "Keep" to provide sources. Please provide them or your !vote should be disregarded.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Obituaries are rarely, by their very natures, autobiographies. As such, they count as
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to support notability and verifiability or should your !vote be disregarded as well?
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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What makes you think that you want to see her any more clearly?
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Seems notable to me. Can't they get a better photograph?
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meets every criteria for verifiability and notability. --
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The obituaries are enough sourcing. The bit from the
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Please, again, AGF and don't threaten commentators. --
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Pastor Theo
talk
00:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Arlene White Lawrence
Arlene White Lawrence
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
WP:BIO
Drawn Some
talk
02:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )
talk
02:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Drawn Some
talk
03:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )
talk

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