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of a famous brother (in fact his other teammate, who play better than him, don't enjoy this notoriety). If we delete this, the article writer of
Vajushi will have to start it from scratch once that Vajushi will play for Hajduk or some other team that participates in a "professional" league. And that will happen if the editor is not already fed up with wikipedia and its (sometimes) illogical and contradictory rules, which we all should strive to improve. There is a discussion ongoing currently on the matter (
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Albanian Superliga. He is being followed by some strong European teams (as the article says) and is obviously a professional. It is likely that he will move to a fully professional league soon and it is pointless to delete this article and then
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failure. The youth caps are irrelevant - it was established long ago that only
Olympic or full international caps confer notability on players. Most of the keep votes seem to be along the lines of "he will be a great player". Well, let's wait and see - the article can be restored in an instant if he
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That's because he has a famous brother, not because of his soccer skills (the league he plays in is 8th in the
British pyramid of leagues). So he would qualify for a redirect to his own famous brother and his article would be deleted. Armando Vajushi has GNG because of his soccer skills, not because
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Mbledhja është ndërprerë disa herë, pasi debatet kanë qenë mjaft të zjarrta mes presidentëve dhe kreut të Ligës
Profesionste, Koço Kokëdhima. Presidenti i Vllaznisë, Valter Fushaj, i pakënaqur për punën e deritanishme në krye të Ligës Profesioniste, kërkoi shkarkimin e kryetarit të Ligës, Koço
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Albanian league is fully pro could you? It'd be really helpful as I'm finding that google trans doesn't do the best job on Albanian articles! Ta v much.
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