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Here the student makes a detailed outline of what he would like to learn, needs to learn, is relevant, and identifies his individual S.W.O.T., and what is practically applicable to his present and/or future real world life/work situation. So in a way it is a backwards approach to a typical university program in that the student first learns about himself and identifies what he needs to learn to reach his stated goals before determining the courses/topics/content/assignments. In a typical university, a predetermined curriculum is used and courses follow a standardized syllabus for all student who take it. Phase two starts with the submission of the student self-developed study plan and courses to the academic department for feedback and approval. This is the most difficult and challenging portion of the program where I came close to dropping out. It is also what makes it unique. The university offered me the option of selecting from standardized courses it has created. I also had weekly optional assignments and reading materials sent to me which I could develop and integrate into my selected courses. There is an archive in the elearning platform of several hundred such optional assignments to choose from. Apparently many students struggle to create their own personalized courses or simply prefer to follow a typical “standardized” curriculum. In the end about half of my courses were standardized and the other half I defined and developed the content, selected most of the reading materials from the online library and proposed assignments that would demonstrate my gained knowledge with some help from my academic advisor and tutor. In the end I found the courses I self-developed to be the best choice because all the content was of interest to me and NON-theoretical, it was real life stuff I wanted to learn about and try out first hand. The standardized courses I took were mostly theoretical with lessons and quizzes and a lot of content that you typically see in college text books. Phase two also includes 4 books that are considered introductory courses. One of the books became one of the most eye opening books I have ever read “The Hidden
Connections” by Fritjof Capra which prompted me to read several other of his books. I was able to complete one course every one to three months depending on my available time and desire finally reaching the needed credits to start phase three which is the development of a Thesis. Phase four is mostly just some admin requirements surveys and documents that are submitted to the univ. I am glad to have stuck with the program as I came to realize its significance in breaking with the typical mold and as a serious alternative to typical university programs. I have attended four universities, all save for AIU were traditional universities and I cannot hold one above another in that each provided me valuable tools and knowledge. However, no program I have experienced or heard of follows an academic program even remotely similar to that of this university. I am not sure if my status as an alumni changes my neutrality on the matter, I don’t think so, as I am also an alumni of several other universities. Nevertheless that was my two cents on the matter, other editors are free to consider and use this (or not) as they wish…
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has little or no academic work, do you have any evidence of this occurring now or in the past, or is it a supposition of yours. More care should be taken in consideration that actual human beings such as its students, grads or staff are directly harmed if unfair and unsupported defamatory allegations are made. Their accreditation page also states the following which you excluded and ignored. “Atlantic
International University is accredited by the Accreditation Service for International Schools, Colleges and Universities (ASIC). ASIC Accreditation is an internationally renowned quality standard for colleges and universities. Visit ASIC’s Directory of Accredited Colleges and Universities . ASIC is a member of CHEA International Quality Group (CIQG) in the USA, an approved accreditation body by the Ministerial Department of the Home Office in the UK, and is listed in the International Directory of the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) .” The process of accreditation with the ASIC includes the following areas of evaluation and inspection, did you carry out a similar analysis to support your opinion and defamatory accusation against the institution and its students.
1542:, You ask me to create a User Name in which I complied. You are really trying your best to get this article deleted. Is it that serious? You do know Knowledge is a public website right? I'm sure there are many others who are viewing this information. Come on now. Let's be more ethical and not make false accusations. I don't know you personally, but I'm sure you can be a little more level headed. It's not a good look and it makes you look either desperate or if you don't get your way, you start using false accusations to plead your case. If there is a way to prove that I am not affiliated with the above mentioned then provide the Knowledge information and I will do so. I can care carless if the article stays or goes, but all sources and references have been provided per the reason you are trying your best to get deleted
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to more seasoned editors, for example video interviews, I realize the links are directly from the university website, however the hundreds of persons archived in those videos are not. These 53 links were not just obtained from a Google Search for "Atlantic
International University" since that results in 338,000 search results, 134 news results, and 1720 book results so as you can see considerable effort was taken in filtering the raw results. Due to time limitations I was only able to go through a portion of the search results. Thank you for your contributions and I hope the links will be of help to other editors.
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methodology", "its significance in breaking with the typical mold and as a serious alternative to typical university programs", "has been in existence for so many years", "provided me valuable tools and knowledge", "several hundred videos of graduates" and so on. There are also claims of reliable sources from one or more editors who do not, however, give any links to those sources, so that they are completely unverifiable. I was going to close this discussion as "delete" myself, but I decided that since I have edited the article, it will be better to just comment here and leave it to another administrator.
1328:'s own international website. On another note, It doesn't matter to me if the article get's deleted or not, but facts are facts and what is right is right. The fact remains that It shouldn't be deleted based on opinions and slander as there are enough sources to prove AIU's legitimacy. I'm done on the subject and wish this article the best of luck. GOD BE WITH YOU and rebuke all the Slander and hateful opinionated views.
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Article's Talk page. Regarding its prior unaccredited status; there is frequent confusion between unaccredited and diploma mill as you have clearly done here. A diploma mill sells degrees and
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