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this same principal should not apply to beauty pageants. There is clearly no ground to speedy keep this article because there is no special notability guideline to save it. Beyond this the claim that all national winners arw notable does not work with so many beauty pageants out there. It is also the type of claim without evidene that got us the beauty pageant winner mess to start with.
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The principal of "assume good faith" has clearly been violated by calling this a "bad faith nomination." It is a good faith nomination built around general
Knowledge principals such as competitors in yourh competitions such as in sports are not as notable as competitors as adults. I see no reason
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in ignorance of this fact should negate his ivote due to his inability to read. More likely, as many who have been nominating and voting on articles about this subject, it is prejudice against the subject and uninformed, drive-by reflex in the voting. I also added a source for modeling, a CBS
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how is (a) Winning Miss ND Teen USA (b) Plus a year's reign, (c) Competing & placing 1RU at Miss Teen USA, (d) Winning Miss ND USA (e) Plus a year's reign (f) Competing and placing 1RU at Miss USA (g) Competing & Winning Miss World
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Please tell me how youth competitions vs adult competitions is relevant here when she is known for benign first runner-up to one of the two most notable adult competitions in the US and will be representing the US at one of the two most notable adult international pageants? Again, you're being
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