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this same principal should not apply to beauty pageants. There is clearly no ground to speedy keep this article because there is no special notability guideline to save it. Beyond this the claim that all national winners arw notable does not work with so many beauty pageants out there. It is also the type of claim without evidene that got us the beauty pageant winner mess to start with.
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Mari was Miss World America, but there is no indication that this is a competition of the level to make the winner notable. This article was previously made a redirect, but that was back before she won the most recent title. The sources are a combination of not being reliable, being extremely local
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For saying this is built around "general Knowledge principals" (principles?), it sure doesn't pay a lot of attention to GNG. There doesn't need to be a specific notability guideline saying this is notable, because there's enough source material in this article to pass GNG (even if you ignore the
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The principal of "assume good faith" has clearly been violated by calling this a "bad faith nomination." It is a good faith nomination built around general Knowledge principals such as competitors in yourh competitions such as in sports are not as notable as competitors as adults. I see no reason
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it is hard to stay patient and assume good faith. I don't enjoy accusing people of acting in bad faith but there's something clearly not right here. Maybe it's just a case of too many nominations too quickly but surely the so called reasonable person could figure out this was too much at once?
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in ignorance of this fact should negate his ivote due to his inability to read. More likely, as many who have been nominating and voting on articles about this subject, it is prejudice against the subject and uninformed, drive-by reflex in the voting. I also added a source for modeling, a CBS
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how is (a) Winning Miss ND Teen USA (b) Plus a year's reign, (c) Competing & placing 1RU at Miss Teen USA, (d) Winning Miss ND USA (e) Plus a year's reign (f) Competing and placing 1RU at Miss USA (g) Competing & Winning Miss World America (h) Competing in one of the two most important
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Please tell me how youth competitions vs adult competitions is relevant here when she is known for benign first runner-up to one of the two most notable adult competitions in the US and will be representing the US at one of the two most notable adult international pageants? Again, you're being
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Even with multiple events, I'm not convinced that they in combination rise to the level of encyclopedia notability (if you only have zeros to add up, you still end up with zero). Knowledge requires a balanced biography, which is reasonably comprehensive. What's in the article is a
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affiliate. Vanity Faire and Seventeen are major distribution magazines and exactly the type of sources you would expect for this kind of subject. While she is on the dean's list at North Dakota State, it is a bit much to expect to see her mentioned in the
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pageant fansites), and there are even more sources available that aren't in the article. As noted on your talk page (where another editor takes issue with this AfD spree), you've nominated ~30 articles for deletion in the past week.
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Each of them contains a similar nomination affirming your blanket belief that low-level beauty pageant winners are non-notable. Many of them suggest a lack of examining the sources already in the article, and certainly
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The assumed notability here is hiding behind crap sources. Vanity Fair, Yahoo, 'Seventeen', TV zines and local press is all they amount to: Nothing to suggest
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and yet another bad faith nom. Audra is a former Miss Teen USA and Miss USA contestant, won the national Miss World America title and will represent the US at
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Easily notable for several events, has notable sources, will compete in the largest pageant in the world. Don't know why this'd even be nominated.
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There are ~70 nominated by him currently open and many more recently closed. Perhaps slowing down & paying more attention would be helpful.
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as won a national competition not just a state one, coverage such as Philstar and Vanity Fair seems to be reliable sources and therefore passes
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passes GNG. Also agree with PageantUpdater that these mass nominations, which seem to not consider GNG at all, are very problematic.
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why was this article relisted on Saturday, even though only the nominator had voted keep, and disruptively so?
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For comparison, some people consider me a deletionist, and I've nominated ~30 articles since January 2015.
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She has been in the court of 5 different competitions and has won four. The fact that K.e.coffman cited
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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nominations for clearly notable people on the basis of something else entirely
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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content of Ms Mari's pageant wins. Like Muffled, I'm not seeing
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and being passing references, in some cases all three at once.
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article has been given a copy edit with improved referencing.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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You can't trot out WP:BIO1E for somebody who's notable for
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describing Miss America contestants as Miss USA contestants
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international beauty pageants ... "one event". ---
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