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The previous AfD closed as rename under the assumption that the games themselves had independent notability but that the company did not. I think neither does and in fact it would be strange if one did and the other did not. The game review sites are not reliable enough sources to secure notability,
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Aren't reviews from notable sites the usual "notability establishing thing" for minor games? I don't think it's too out of the ordinary for a company's work to be notable and not the company itself either, it seems like the logical situation for indie creators and other companies that've produced
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to invalidate them first. We have a major wikiproject that has gone through the pain of reviewing and maintaining a list of sources, selectively disregarding their findings at individual AfDs is not the way to go, in particular since any findings may affect plenty other articles.
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The facts are this, the article has surivived deletion nomination on the grounds that it is adequately sourced and has established notability for the games. Many references as notable. Sure this article can been improved and through the last afd discussion, was improved.
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during the previous AfD, and there were no concerns left to address after the article on the company was pruned of the non-Aveyond games. If there are issues with the sources, the proper way is to get consensus at
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The references are fine, it clearly notable. And the nominators claims about the last AFD is ridiculous. Everyone said Keep back then too, the nominator the only one trying to delete it both times.
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So that's at least two indisputably reliable sources and several other sources I'd call "good enough" for use.
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