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The previous AfD closed as rename under the assumption that the games themselves had independent notability but that the company did not. I think neither does and in fact it would be strange if one did and the other did not. The game review sites are not reliable enough sources to secure notability,
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Aren't reviews from notable sites the usual "notability establishing thing" for minor games? I don't think it's too out of the ordinary for a company's work to be notable and not the company itself either, it seems like the logical situation for indie creators and other companies that've produced
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to invalidate them first. We have a major wikiproject that has gone through the pain of reviewing and maintaining a list of sources, selectively disregarding their findings at individual AfDs is not the way to go, in particular since any findings may affect plenty other articles.
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The facts are this, the article has surivived deletion nomination on the grounds that it is adequately sourced and has established notability for the games. Many references as notable. Sure this article can been improved and through the last afd discussion, was improved.
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during the previous AfD, and there were no concerns left to address after the article on the company was pruned of the non-Aveyond games. If there are issues with the sources, the proper way is to get consensus at
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The references are fine, it clearly notable. And the nominators claims about the last AFD is ridiculous. Everyone said Keep back then too, the nominator the only one trying to delete it both times.
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Netjak: Link isn't working atm, but a quick search indicates it's cited in multiple other articles, including an FA:
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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So that's at least two indisputably reliable sources and several other sources I'd call "good enough" for use.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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If the objection is source reliability, let's go down the list, shall we?
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Clearly notable, lots of RS, no indication that it should be deleted.
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and these concerns have not been addressed since the previous AFD.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Game Chronicles: Listed as unreliable on VG/RS per a discussion
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Game Tunnel: Reliable, and a major source of indie game reviews.
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GrrlGamer: Currently domain parked. Probably should be removed.
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Articles for deletion/Amaranth Games (2nd nomination)
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
non-admin closure
Ron Ritzman
talk
01:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Aveyond series
Articles for deletion/Amaranth Games
Articles for deletion/Amaranth Games (2nd nomination)
Aveyond series
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Andre
talk
01:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
list of video game related deletion discussions
Andre
talk
01:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Norse Am Legend
talk
04:13, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

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