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402:, so I did, did some research, and I guess it boomeranged on him because I can't find quality sourcing and no one has provided them in this discussion or the article. In this instance, I just don't find any references from sources that are INDEPENDENT from the subject matter. WP:N clearly requires verification from sources that are independent of the subject matter, and that isn't satisfied in any way here. If a dog fight happens, and only dogfight.com and dogfighting.com cover it, that dog fight isn't notable. Once it gets multiple coverage in the New York Times, CNN, a well known biographer, ABC news, or at least a newspaper that 935:. While the reasoning for disregarding them could be debated (as they are proof of the high profile of this event among followers of this sport), the point becomes moot when independent and reliable sources as those detailed above are available. It is nevertheless a strong indication of this event's significance among those familiar with the subject, akin to the coverage given to a championship boxing match by that sport's specialized press. 442:
especially in Britain, a country which our government, media and majority number of the public has slammed MMA more times than Rampage in slammed opponents in PRIDE for being 'barbaric'. I really do wish that the BBC, ITV, and Sky News teams covers MMA more in a good light, and hope that it will do soon, but until then the fact that the event is showing the biggest main event fight expected for UK MMA this year between
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Opposing views seemed to be the usual pre-fight coverage, the short Daily Mirror article was on Jack Marshman with a cursory mention of BAMMA 9, the Luton article was a daily training diary of one of the participants (hardly independent coverage), and the Dunstable "article" was a the same diary as the Luton one. Hence, IMO there still seems to be a lack of independent sources covering BAMMA 9.
281:. Here we go again, another pointless nomination of a clearly notable MMA event being made by the usual user. This event is being headlined by the promotion's World Middleweight Champion and their British Middleweight Champion, both of which are extremely notable fighters and hugely popular within UK MMA. This event has been receiving loads of attention over the last few months, at one point 1254:. I'm happy that someone has at least taken the time to review the sources I've provided with a constructive attitude, instead of shooting the messenger or refusing to discuss alltogether. I truly appreciate it and I thank you for that; and I concede that although said sources are good, they're not as perfect and uncontestable as to pass 952:. Reversing the example given by one of said editors, the absence of the President at a Superbowl game does not make such event unnotable. As repeatedly shown above by the quality and quantity of reliable, independent sources, the notability of this event does not stem from the absence of this athlete: on the contrary, the fact that 1426:. I can't help but to notice the sharp contrast between the 14 minutes it took you address the !vote above and your seemingly entire lack of interest in engaging in constructive debate for 9 days (as some of the proponents of the deletion of this article indeed have). Perhaps this is an indication that you will deign to do so now? 869:. Leaving aside the somewhat unrealistic list of desired sources (which is clearly made merely for illustrative purposes), I'm surprised that nobody so far (not the advocators for this article's permanence, nor its detractors) has stumbled upon the many reliable, high profile and independent sources that do exist on this event. 1142:
I can't help but to observe the silence regarding the coverage given by other sources I've linked to, which gives the impression that they all fall under the two arguments above. Alas, this is not the case, as can be seen by examining them thoroughly. I also take note that other points I raised (i.e.
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at the same comment! However, I wish to make it very clear that I don't blame you, Ravenswing: been there and done that, many times, a long time ago. Guilty until proven innocent, but that's not your fault nor mine: the things that can be witnessed at AfD can surpass imagination, so that's the way it
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of my comment may be questioned by scrutinizing my edit's history, allow me to swear that I have never, ever, been involved in any way nor at any time with any martial arts related article, not under any other username nor as an anonymous editor. I only saw this AfD's entry at the log when nominating
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events are not routine in itself: they are a set of out-of-ordinary championship fights, scheduled long in advance for an outstanding event well above ordinary or routinary bouts or matches, by a sports organization whose notability is beyond question. The best comparison would be between a regular
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The link that "blatantly" prints "press release" is not from the BAMMA site, nor from any source primarily associated to this event; but from a well know, reliable and secondary source that has picked it, reviewed it, reprinted it and distributed it via its own website as part of their coverage of
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First, I'm happy to welcome a new editor who believes in doing research. I do have issues with your sources. The Yahoo article is from the contributor's network, so there's no indication of how reliable the source is. Zimbio is a press release (regardless of who issued it) so it's not reliable,
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That being said, let's assume your charge is true, and MMA events aren't covered in Britain because the British government, media and public uniformly hate them. So stipulated, so what? The GNG requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. We don't get to say that the GNG doesn't
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means that this event is already notable, and with the articles already out along with the articles that will definitely be released next week (which is the fight week) and after the event, no-one will question notability after this. This AfD, just like the many recently on MMA events, is nothing
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All I got to say about that is LOL, you don't seriously think that everything that is notable must be on a paper like The New York Times, or a news programme like CNN? If that was the case, then most things on Knowledge would be put on AfDs right now, what you are asking for is beyond impossible,
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is merely another indication (albeit not proof by itself) of the event's inherent notability (even tho he's ultimately absent from it due to unrelated circumstances that do no act in detriment of the event's high profile). Following the line of reasoning of the users who commented above on this
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In reviewing Athilea's links, I'm not at all convinced (not least at our natural suspicion when a SPA's first and only edits are on AfDs). First off, those links which could be considered reliable discuss not this event, but one or another of the various fighters scheduled to appear. Since
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par Why on earth would it be deleted? I think the people campaigning to get it removed are from rival MMA groups. There are plenty of articles on far more minor sports and entertainment events that are on wikipedia. BAMMA is the biggest MMA promotion in Western Europe, and its events are
948:'s link to this event has been misinterpreted by other editors, who have insisted on the absence of this athlete as proof of unnotability (and this is both attributable to the ambivalence of such statement, and to the unfamiliarity with this sport of those who commented on it). That is a 896: 775:'s edit history consists entirely of spamming MMA related Afds with copy and paste boilerplate votes rather than arguments. The account has made no actual contributions to this website. It is clearly a single-purpose, disruption-only account and a likely sock or meatpuppet. -- 1321:. All the credit for this sensible idea goes to Dennis, and as far as I'm concerned I'm willing to work in order to see it come to fruition. That is, of course if both the proponents of the keep and delete alternatives are willing to assume such compromise. Best regards, 1180:. It is however the duty of everyone responsible to analyze case by case, with all the information and circumstances that surround it, and not let a blanket belief be your main guide. The fact that so far only you, of all participant at this debate, has taken the time to 465:
You are correct in that many, many articles on Knowledge don't pass this criteria and need to be deleted, but there are only so many hours in a day to research and delete them. They are getting created faster than they can be deleted. But the criteria at
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Those links that discuss the various fighters scheduled to attend, do so only in their role as participants of this event, not in their role as prominent MMA fighters. Not a single one of external articles linked above fails to mention BAMMA 9 as
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I expected my comment to be taken with a pinch of salt for my very recent edit history, which is the reason why I said I was aware of it and tried to clear any doubts in that sense. What I didn't expect was to be so openly told that said fact is
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I find it confusing that all the other MMA events have been categorised, yet this one hasn't and yet the votes for delete are rolling in? A bit strange that? If someone tells me how I will add it to the same one the other MMA events use.
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On top of that, I've been able to count no less than 15 different, unrelated, independent online magazines or specialized websites dedicated to this sport that grant significant coverage to the event, most of which could pass
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Please take note that I don't endorse indiscriminate inclusion of MMA related articles, as some of the participants in this debate do (and at other MMA related AfD discussions, where lack of notability is a clear issue, like
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count so long as a subject "deserves" an article. The answer to a lack of reliable, significant coverage isn't that we let a subject have an article anyway. The answer is that the subject doesn't qualify for an article.
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Yet it is the attitude that speaks for itself. I'm the first to say that, indeed, judging from my investgation, there are/have been many articles that deserve/d that fate, as they are/were nothing but
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it seems pretty clear what the correct answer is. If the biggest thing about this event is a person who won't be there, I think it speaks volumes about the event's notability (and not in a good way).
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NFL match and a given Superbowl game. This is also the reason why each and every BAMMA event, from its first edition to BAMMA 8, have received considerable attention and coverage from the media
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says that there needs to be "significant coverage" of the event for it to be notable; at best "significant coverage" of the event is debatable at worst lacks significant coverage, thus fails
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The idea to merge all these into a main article is something that should be explored further, that would resolve the issues with the notability of the individual events rather nicely.
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based !vote will likley ignored by the closing admin, if you think it should be kept you need to address how this article addresses the lasting historical significance of the event.
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I am however somewhat baffled that the sources listed above are dismissed so quickly, and my knowledge of policies and guidelines elliptically put in question when in fact it was
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Changed to a keep based on the sourced provided lower in the discussion. Half of them are borderline at best, but there are enough that aren't to pass the bar.
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to be slightly amusing but entirely irrelevant, and I think that the article itself could use better prose and sourcing. However, I also think it does pass
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in order to compile the best available sources in summary style, leaving the possibility of eventually moving such content into a potential and unified
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particular issue, we would be able to say that BAMMA 9 is notable merely by the presence of other athletes who have confirmed their participation (i.e.
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seems to be an indication of this. I appreciate that, and I thank you for it, even if I believe your own arguments regarding said sources to be wrong.
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is brought up by you, perhaps a choice of words on your part would have been in adviseable?). It would have been more accurate for me to say that,
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FINALLY, someone who sees it as well. so Mtking, are you going to engage in properly sorting this out or continue to show yourself up like this?
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per above, as is (or at least should be) standard when you have a topic of questionable notability that falls under a notable parent topic.
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here in the first place. But let's stay focused. Regarding the arguments used to disregard the significance of the afforementioned sources.
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another article for the deletion process and got intrigued by it, so I tried to do my homework... whether I'm right or wrong. Best regards,
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without discussion. I tend to agree with you and Dennis Brown that the main flaw of this series of articles is that they tend to fall into
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Following an exchange with Dennis Brown, I have personally come to the conclusion that the best solution would be to at least temporarily
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Well, come to that, the MMA Wikiproject's opinion is that MMA event articles don't belong on Knowledge, given the section of
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thats says routine sports coverage is not notable is unclear to those who want to keep these articles. When articles fail
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and subsets is pretty clear about what it takes to be "notable", thus eligible for inclusion if you bother to read them.
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as if they had not been provided at all, when they already have at this very debate and your objections addressed (
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a negative factor when analysing my arguments themselves. This is specially true if being acussed of breaching
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or helpful; no Delete proponent has said anything of the sort, and some are active on the MMA Wikiproject.
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for article about notable sporting events. The potential sources for the article appear to simply contain
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to receive actual attention and coverage, which would eventualy give them enough factic support to pass
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was linked to this event. The fact that this page is being nominated for deletion is a complete joke.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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by default as article does not and cannot pass any Knowledge policies or guidelines. --
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Actually the fact that it meets no guidelines or policies is why it should be deleted.
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well-attended, more so than many UFC events. Of course the article should stay up!
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that has considered the event notable enough to do so, not its organizers or fans.
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more than just the nominator's opinion that MMA events don't belong on Knowledge.
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that is so evident here, when we do have enough RS that show otherwise.
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That does not address the issue of the events notability, and as a
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