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743:) and while it is not extensive, it not only confirms the battle happened, but states that a chief was killed, another dude who I presume is notable was captured, and "as a result, many local chiefs soon submitted to Haidar." This would indicate the battle was indeed notable and had consequences. This plus the other info above from the
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report also confirms this battle was a turning point. I really don't even know what you mean by "fringe theories" - are you suggesting this information we have describing this battle is misleading or that it's a hoax? You say it shouldn't have a "whole separate article" but you are not suggesting it
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Sorry I didn't notice that. An issue is that we were looking for "Battle of
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501:. You have provided 3 sources, first 2 are same books but you posted it twice and book is non-accessible. Third source have just passing mention which can be added in parent article of Maratha or Haider. Do you think mention of 2-3 lines somewhere deserves article? Read basic
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That's called a passing mention and I had already mentioned it on my top comment that except that single source there is no other mention. If none of the sources have anything more than two liners regarding this incident, why we should have whole separate article?
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There is no information available about this battle at all there is no mention in enough amount of sources that there should be a separate page or even a paragraph dedicated to a small incident of hardly two
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