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207:. Saul holds a position as a county councillor, with no evidence of ever having held any more significant office. He is the current chairperson (Irish: Cathaoirleach) of the council, but this is a year long ceremonial office with no extra powers. Saul is a standard county councillor doing standard county councillor things, and has not received any national coverage relating to him, which would make him notable. 573: 283:
He/she has no extra powers than an ordinary councillor, and certainly has no statutory powers. It has been established on wikipedia that city or county councillors are not inherently notable by virtue of their office and that includes chairs, they must meet additional criteria, which is not evident here.
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I'm quite up to speed on recent developments in local government. I mentioned "county manager" as this was what the head of the council administration was known as until last year. The chairperson always presided over meetings so that's not a new power, and as far the "agenda setting powers", that's
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You are incorrect, its the Chief executive (or county manager) Owen Keegan who presides over the administration of the DLR county council. The chairperson of the council chairs the monthly council meetings, attends various openings and events, and wears the ceremonial chain of office for a year.
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is fully up to speed on latest arrangements. However size does matter, I would argue the chair of smaller councils might not warrant an article, but Dun Laoghaire is one of the largest in Ireland by population and revenue on that basis
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Saul is the elected political head of a county council with a population of 206,261, the office has statutory powers which are dealt with in
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Saul isn't just a county councillor, he is Chairperson of Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County County Council the office is notable, just like
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mere political window dressing. Saul is just taking "Buggins turn" as chair until some one else takes over next year, and so on.
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Owen Keegan is actually chief executive of Dublin City Council and the position of county manager has been abolished
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possible path to getting him an article on Knowledge (XXG) is to source it well enough to get him past
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pass any NPOL criterion except #3 (which is entirely conditional on the quality of sourcing, and
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Saul this Saul has no evidence of notability at all so will have to say Delete. –
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Local politician lacking the amount of sources needed to demonstate notability.
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a "just because they exist" freebie.) But this article, as written, contains
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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pass just because they exist — and the sourcing here is
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