52:. There is a 5-3 majority for deletion, although the last delete vote comes from a new account and simply makes an assertion of non-notability. Still, the delete side does provide a persuasive argument when they point out that the news coverage of high school sports is fairly routine. On the other hand, I accept that the Ohio Mr. Football award can arguably elevate a player to higher than average notability for a football player, and the keep arguments pointing out (admittedly brief) coverage in media beyond the very local sources have some merit too. I am therefore calling this no consensus.
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English. Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability. - Again, Cleveland Plain Dealer and Toledo Blade, among others, count as sources. Plus, the above articles are from four different Ohio news papers, not just his 'hometown' paper.
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not apply to a person being receiving accolades for a sustained period of productivity or accomplishment. We should not, and need not, stretch the boundaries of BLP1E to conclude that Tanski is not notable. As noted above, coverage is limited to his playing of "high school" football, and the applicable criterion imposes a higher-than-normal standard of substantial and
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is a basis for deleting in this case. That guideline should be invoked to protect otherwise private, living persons where they gain brief notoriety due to their involvement in a single news event such as an isolated involvement in a scandal, escapade, crime, disaster, protest, stunt, etc. It does
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who did not have a significant college career and never played in a professional game. Any marginal notability of the subject is based solely on his having received Ohio's Mr. Football award as a 17-year-old in 2007. That's all there is; everything else is filler. This appears to be exactly the
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