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school article to move anyhow (for instance my sentence saying the school is part of the district would obviously not be used in the district article). So, I think the issue of preserving history here is not signficant, and I would be fine either way. Before a copyright holder can complain their GFDL-rights were violated (through lack of attribution), they actually have to show that copyrightable/copyrighted work was actually copied, in my non-lawyered opinion. So, I think what's done with the old history is a minor issue, that can go either way. --
1205: 1244:- Non notable. I have no idea why so many people think that schools should be automatically included no matter what. It's not like its a university which conducts research, nor has it any notable alumni, nor has some major event ever happened there. So the argument is that this school exists, well so does the fire station, community centre, newsagents, corner shops and public toilets. - 314:- rewrote article. Its obviously the one in Plymouth, Minnesota - since thats next to Wayzata High School lol. Its an actual school, and our policy on schools is that, for the most part, we keep them. Oh, I only did a stub for the article though. Mind you, since there's more than one school with the same name, perhaps we can disambig the page. That makes it 523:
So all school articles belong to a magical subset of articles in which no lower bounds of quality exist? They can never be bad enough to merit deletion? All that verbiage about "don't take it personally" and how AfD is a constructive process in the AfD literature just doesn't apply to the magical
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I don't think the normal GFDL attribution requirement applies here. We're not using the text of the school article, we're just adding a mention of the school to the district. Simple facts, like a school name, by themselves, aren't copyrightable (as far as I know). There's really no text in the
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which was comitted by the same IP as the creator of this article. I found this article by checking up the contributions of that IP after reverting that vandalism. Enough time passed between the two events that I would not necessarily assume they were by the same person.
426:: It's a predicate nominative now that it's verifiable. A fact is not an article, and before someone says "improve it," improving at this point is functionally no different from "write it from scratch," except that it means carrying a vandal attack in the edit history. 726:
Point taken. I suppose in the long run too when someone does get the urge to write an actual article about this school too it makes it a tad easier to rewrite it. Granted I'd rather history be gone, but that is secondary in my mind to the merge so
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This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.
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and possibly contact the administration of Wayzata High School in Marion, Minnesota per the anonymous user's history. This is a high school student so it's not appropriate to repeat here, but I think you'll find the vandal's
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Why would it have to be "more notable than other schools"? We're writing an encyclopedia, not hosting some sort of twisted notability competition. Virtually all schools are notable, and there's no contradiction there.
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I think the article is a hoax, no indication of the putative school's location, the write-up suggests the editor intends the article to be humourous, ironic, or some such thing. School cannot be verified. Recommend
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Once again, it is notable among the millions of schools worldwide because out of those schools, Birchview is among the rare few that are important educational institutions serving Plymouth, Minnesota.
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I see that sentence, however, it doesn't actually state why the school is notable among the millions of schools worldwide such that it merits its own article in a general encyclopaedia.
1093:(To clarify: We don't write articles on individual city halls, fire stations, or any other institutions of local government... except for cities with large metropolitan areas.) -- 142:, which was altered from the same IP address on the same day this article was created. Especially note the text inserted and the comment by the person who cleaned up afterward. 767:
this substub with the school district article, unless someone steps in to add a good dollop of facts verifiable from secondary sources. (This is the position I signed up to at
100:: hoax? "putative school"? "cannot be verified"? When I did a Google search on the term "Birchview", this school in Plymouth, MN was the third item on the search result. See 224: 51: 651:
How so? The proposal says 3 or more verifiable sentences. This article does not meet that criteron or any other being discussed. It should be merged per the proposal.
193:. This is not an article, it is a biased review of the school. The article even fails to define its location, so we cannot tell whether it is about the school in 1000:
Why does the fact that it serves Plymouth, Minnesota make it so much more notable than other schools that it merits its own article in a general encyclopaedia?
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It's standard practice. More to the point, it's simpler to keep the history than to delete it, so what's the point of going to any extra effort? —
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not encylopedic and nothing would be lost by deletion. Merge is not an option since it counts as a keep for the article and not the information.
812:(I dislike the proposal partly for assuming all schools are a part of a simple small school districts, but this school actually is). -- 524:
category of schools? I'm not going to {sofixit}, I spend far too much time working on topics of actual encyclopedic value as it is.
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Notable as an important educational institution serving Plymouth, Minnesota and a significant institution of the local government.
771:. Anyone who hasn't participated in that debate yet, get over there, find out what's being proposed, and make your voice heard!) — 450:
per george accept i dont know what is a predicit nominitive is but it sound reely BAD so i say deth to predicit nomintives!!!!!!!
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Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
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Right you are. Point withdrawn. This returns us to the puzzle of which Birchview Elementary School this might be.
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page it is proposed to be merged into. People attend, and are familiar with, schools, not districts.
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Notable in what way? As for the article being sourced, it's not hard to source one sentence.
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below.
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See above, the sentence beginning "notable as," although I'm not sure how you missed it.
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Every time I see someone say something like "We're writing an encyclopedia", I smell a
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If you make the pond small enough, then anybody (or any school) can be a big frog. --
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Since it is a local government, then it should be smerged into the town article. --
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and tell me again why you think such a thing should not be nominated for AfD!
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instead of nominating schools for fruitless no-consensus defacto keep votes.
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Okay, but please answer the question that was asked: notable in what way?
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Unless the lack of credible sources is remedied, this appears to violate
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In other words, "yes". School articles have a unique set of standards.
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Smerging it into the town or district article would also satisfy me. --
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policy, and it isn't at the top of any page I'm looking at right now.
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The history of the redirecting article is to be maintained.
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and please write more about this school it is important
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to keep all school articles. Can you point me to this?
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How exactly is "Keep all schools" a fruitful vote? —
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NN ankle biter farm, article far below WP standards
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
WikiFanatic
04:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Birchview Elementary School
Birchview Elementary School (Plymouth, Minnesota)
Pete.Hurd
02:37, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Pete.Hurd
02:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Durova
05:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
this
assume good faith
DS1953
06:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Natural selection
Pete.Hurd
07:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Wayzata High School
Durova
08:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Marion Barber III
Dallas Cowboys

DS1953
21:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Durova
23:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Plymouth, Minnesota
Macon, Missouri

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