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Austrian group to me), but I had definitely misinterpreted at least one Google News search result that did show an article about the article subject. In my decision to nominate the article for deletion, I wrongly expected the German Knowledge (XXG)'s deletion discussions to be useful for making a good decision here. I learned in this week that they are using stricter criteria than the English Knowledge (XXG) does, and that a strongly deleted article there does not imply lack of notability here. Let's
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356:, that's helpful - however, another point in support of keeping - there are pages for this article in 7 different languages. So it would be odd for it be deleted because english language wiki thought it wasn't notable, when other non english language wikis thought it was, particularly when its about a foreign concept. I'm generally for erring to the side of keep in these sort of situations.
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I was honestly surprised by the articles about this subject, and I had misinterpreted the Google results to be all about the German CDU-FDP (black-yellow) coalition. Maybe I even had been influenced by a filter bubble (I'm from
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Oh. That really hit me unexpectedly. I did a Google News search (for the
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Having knowledge of German, I can assure you that the vast majority of articles are about the (non-monarchist) German political alliance between between the German parties, because they have formed the federal government several times (I think more often than any other coalitation), for example
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272:- I checked Factiva, 4 articles there, but I think the issue is we are searching English language media. If you search for the German name of the organisation, you get more than 7000 hits. Probably would get more if you specifically searched Austrian or German language media.
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There is indeed some coverage in reliable sources in German, but just surficial notes because this political group is so strange. As far as I can see, they have not won any elections nor have had any significant impact on
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