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of the other WP:BAND criteria - that, say, they must have "a record certified gold or higher", or have "been placed on rotation nationally", or "has won/been nominated for a major music award". I know it says only one of the criteria are needed, but we should really view the first in the light of the
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This article needs a major rewrite to remove the PR hype, but they may just scrape by on the coverage. I disagree that all the sources are unreliable or that the coverage is trivial. Some of the articles are online, but they are from notable UK national newspapers and also appear in their print
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point 12, a 1/2 hour or longer broadcast. The coverage this band has recieved is not the equivalent of this. The band may well one day be notable - in fact, calling them 'the hottest downloads' might be evidence of this - but I don't think they are yet.
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indicates that singles can be certified gold for 500,000 paid downloads, just like they can be certified gold for 500,000 physical singles. So gold "records" are still going to be issued, and they will still be meaningful accomplishments.
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I always check the nominator's contributions in these discussions, and I must say, I found that odd too. It's highly unusual for a new user's first major edit to be nomination of an article for deletion and only
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Do I perhaps detect a conflict here between the nominator DaveBury135 (whose only edits have been in connection with this article) and a band from Radcliffe, a place not far removed from the town of Bury?
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I hate to say this, but in this era of iTunes and downloads, it might be time to review the 'gold' criterion. By the way, what the heck does "been placed on rotation nationally" mean?
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I'd add to that - if we were to say that (say) a small review on the regional outskirts of the BBC website counts as enough to prove notability, it'd be out of keeping with almost
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rest. Nearly any local band could get a page if you just need a review on a (admittedly reliable) website. It looks like Knowledge (XXG) sets the bar higher than that.
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Non-notable - lists only trivial coverage or unreliable sources, ie online articles for which no print equivalent exists. (see
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are huge websites, it's not particularly notable to have an article on one of those sites. Surely the comparator is
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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because the article does indeed include reliable sources, namely online articles from the web sites of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is met. Oh, and AFD is not the place to discuss the criteria set at
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The sources already included in the article indicate that
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