201:. Biography section describes the usual tale of a wandering soul who drifted around, made it to Japan, made it out again, tried his hands at online journalism^Wblogging, became a veteran of Buddhism, etc., etc. Most sources are self-published, niche newsletters, etc. Is he notable as a musician? Doesn't seem like it. Is he notable as a Zen priest? Doesn't seem so. Is he notable as an author? Doesn't seem so, etc., etc.
499:. That alone yet makes him notable." No it doesn't. He's not even mentioned on Merzel's page, which mentions "a group of 12 teachers", then "44 teachers", then "66 teachers", neither of which is specified with "including Brad Watner". Warner's publishing are in blogs and industry-specific journals. So "doesn't seem" seems pretty good against "A and B make him notable" when A and B don't count.
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These are all the sorts of things that become pretty sketchy. The WaPo quote, in its entirety, is "To me it sounds like we're just substituting karma for God", which is pretty trivial. Radio broadcasts are ephemeral and we typically don't resort to such things for notability. The
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Please refer to Wiki-policies, instead of to your personal impressions. The lenght of the Merzel page could be multiplied with criticisms; only the most relevant have been mentioned. Warner has written several books, which are also available outside the USA. How much coverage do you expect outside
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Uhh, yeah. If all their notoriety is within the industry, and they are mentioned only in industry-specific journals, then they're not notable for an encyclopaedia, are they? You could put them on buddhism.wikia.com, or in Who's Who (and Who Has Been Who) Of
Buddhism instead. Look at all the golf
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