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sympathizing with your captor which wasn't Smart's case. Then he went on to manipulate a set of shrinks who should have known better. And, although this isn't relevant to the voting here, Mitchell will be studied more and more as the unique criminal that he is, separate from Smart who is rather done with all this once he is sentenced in May. So it would be better to have a more complete article of this crim as the years go by and as we all study him more closely. Just my opinion though
447:) which an administrator did do; I could be seen as having a vested interest as the first editor but I don't have any other vested interests, my interests in Brian Mitchell are purely academic; the page views have increased significantly now that a verdict of guilty is back as the stats clearly show, increasing to 6.1k the day the verdict was returned when previously it was only a few hundred or so viewers, so people are interested in seeing Mitchell's bio and background in wikipedia
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Hincley–Reagan there is but a few seconds of confluence between Hinckley's and Reagan's life, with the psychotic wooing of Jodie Foster having zero to do with how the crime affected the Reagan presidency or the life of W.H. Press Sec'y Brady; whereas in Mitchell–Smart the
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