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newspaper that was reporting on the event didn't even bother to report the names of any of the award winners -- a pretty damning signal that the awards themselves aren't significant. Note also that the claim has never been found sufficient to sustain a "keep" consensus. And, fiven the striking dearth of independent reliable sourcing, a marginal award claim is far outweighed by clear failure to satisfy GNG requirements.
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