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In the context of this article, British independence is used in reference to the United Kingdom. End of Roman Rule in Britain is irrelevant to this discussion, since it discusses a physical event, while the article we're debating here is about a fringe theory that, quite frankly, doesn't even have
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The article isn't about Roman or Viking Britain. Scholars of history will, of course, be aware that Britain wasn't a country back then, but a collection of countries. Should it have existed, any independence movements would have been for kingdoms like Mercia and Wessex (incidentally, as a Midlands
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Those independence movement articles appear to be about regions or groups within a sovereign state wanting independence from that sovereign state, whereas the UK already is a sovereign state, and thus independent in terms of making its own legislation. The result of the EU referendum is basically
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The idea of British independence from Roman or Viking rule is meaningless because there was no Britain that could conceivably become independent. For all the time that a coherent Britain has existed, it has been either been one or two sovereign states according to all
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including some of the information in other articles that are relevant to those topics before this article is sent to that big search engine in the sky, and hopefully someone can do that. Good information is worth keeping, so long as it is used in the relevant place.
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It's more of a joke or semantic twist than a fringe theory, after all no country can ever be totally independent of others. Besides, there's no question that the phrase itself is very widely used, so it would be made into a DAB or possible redirect at the very
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it would basically need to be rewritten from scratch and this wouldn't be a sensible redirect. The correct procedure would be to delete this article and for someone who wants that article to write it in the normal way.
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Basically every reference in this article uses the phrase "British independence". In any case I suppose I do agree that, even if this topic is generally notable, the current draft should be nuked and started
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Like it or not, this article is about Brexit. "Independence" in this context is a highly POV-laden term and I see no benefit in pretending it isn't. If we were to convert this to an article on
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How about British independence from the Romans or Viking rule? In any case it's clear that an article about the term "British independence" is notable, particularly in light of recent events.--
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Well in terms of keep arguments we've gone from it being a serious topic to a joke in just a few sentences. I'm curious to know in which parallel universe this phrase is widely used.
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would be a more accurate, less POV laden rendition of the topic. I also agree with the general line of commentary above that the article as it stands is a POV fork.
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of a hotchpotch of disparate quotes and tenuously related matters and issues to advance a neologism as an existent, unified concept.
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about leaving a club because the UK doesn't want to abide by the rules of that club. Most of this article is plain and simple
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consisting of spurious comments made by the usual suspects. A more accurate description of the topic might be
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so the article needs to be dealt with in a different manner. The language in some of these votes sounds like
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Composite article that seems to be here to push an agenda. Most of the text appears to be copied from
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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In terms of headlines, the only reliable source that mentions the phrase directly is
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Sheesh, having read a little further this article reads like an editorial in the
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and has existed for far longer than the Brexit controversy. AfD is
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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before, and I'm a Brit who tries to keep up with the news.
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views. (Two being England and Scotland from 1603-1707.)
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