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In the context of this article, British independence is used in reference to the United
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including some of the information in other articles that are relevant to those topics before this article is sent to that big search engine in the sky, and hopefully someone can do that. Good information is worth keeping, so long as it is used in the relevant place.
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Basically every reference in this article uses the phrase "British independence". In any case I suppose I do agree that, even if this topic is generally notable, the current draft should be nuked and started
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