460:"two independent references"? Which ones? I went through the references again, both the ones in the article and the additional ones mentioned above, and all the references that provide any detail and mention "Goldilocks mastectomy" by name are directly connected to the surgeons who invented the technique and appear to be trying to popularize it. They can't be considered "independent" and can't be used to establish notability. Am I missing other references?
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Because I am connected to the seconday sources does not make this any less of a real thing. The topic has been reviewed and published by an independent source - the
International Journal of Surgery. If Dr Ma or I owned the International Journal of surgery or if my article was self-published, I would
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Insufficient coverage in multiple, independent reliable secondary sources. The only sources that mention this technique by the name are 1) the website "goldilocksmastectomy.com", which mentions Dr. Grace Ma by name, and is registered to Ma, and 2) the single IJS article, co-authored Ma. As both
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Hi - I am the author of the article. Not sure why this article needs to be deleted - it is a factual thing that exists. here is a link to the presentation that I made on it to the
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sources are connected to Ma, neither one can be considered independent, which leaves us with no independent reliable secondary sources. This article should be deleted and not merged into
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understand the issue. I would really appreciate any suggestions or help to make this page more "valid" because I don't understand the logic behind the need to delete.
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